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Re: Heraldic Design
« Reply #105 on: 2014-06-07, 11:56:52 »
SCA is funny in what they deem historical, or appropriately suited as far as specifications in heraldry. Keeping it simple is the standard. No pun intended. Actual family crest is hard to deny by the College of scribes who maintain the heraldric rules. Their rules can be challenged and changed by petition if there is questionable conflict.
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Re: Heraldic Design
« Reply #106 on: 2014-06-07, 18:17:03 »
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Re: Heraldic Design
« Reply #107 on: 2014-06-07, 20:14:02 »

The SCA also discourages (or disallows, I'm not sure which) the use of existing heraldry from the real world. That is, you shouldn't use your own family's arms.

Getting it to pass is also a challenge from the standpoint of uniqueness. If it too closely resembles other already-registered arms, then it won't pass. They require at least two points of difference from all other arms, if I recall correctly.

Simple is better, but some of the simplest arms are also difficult because they may resemble something else too closely. For instance, even if you use a bird that no one else is using, most birds can look the same from a distance, so if the colors and positioning match, it might still not pass.

Generally speaking, if you want to register your arms, you should get it passed before painting it on anything.

In terms of them disallowing your use of heraldry that is not passed-- Obviously they can't stop you from painting shields, or using it at non-SCA events. But they will probably enforce it if you try to use that heraldry in an official tournament. Beyond that, I'm not sure.
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Re: Heraldic Design
« Reply #108 on: 2014-06-08, 03:47:03 »
I’ve been using my non-registered arms for over 12 years in the SCA.

The College of Heralds has shot down more of my name and arms submissions than I can recall.  In one instance, a regional deputy denied a submission that was written for me by another herald!   :o

At this point I’m over it and use what I want on the field of combat and in tournaments.
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Re: Heraldic Design
« Reply #109 on: 2014-06-16, 18:20:27 »
I’ve been using my non-registered arms for over 12 years in the SCA.

The College of Heralds has shot down more of my name and arms submissions than I can recall.  In one instance, a regional deputy denied a submission that was written for me by another herald!   :o

At this point I’m over it and use what I want on the field of combat and in tournaments.

Ack! Another herald wrote my stuff...hopefully it passes...my name is pretty easy to register as the name shows up in 15th century manuscripts...lets hope my heraldry passes...if not I will wear my tunic anyway...because you know...I am a rebel :)

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Re: Heraldic Design
« Reply #110 on: 2014-06-16, 20:00:09 »

Yeah, the results can vary quite a bit. I registered mine back in 2008, and it went through on the first attempt... which is a good thing, considering I painted shields already, and wasn't going to change it. ;)

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Re: Heraldic Design
« Reply #111 on: 2014-06-19, 14:01:48 »
What's the link for registration submission?  Also, am I correct in guessing you must be an active SCA member to do so?
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Re: Heraldic Design
« Reply #112 on: 2014-06-19, 14:18:31 »
What's the link for registration submission?  Also, am I correct in guessing you must be an active SCA member to do so?

Technically yes, but I'm not sure if they bother to verify that or not.

Do they have a link for it? That's a good question. I did mine at the herald's tent at Pennsic.
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Re: Heraldic Design
« Reply #113 on: 2014-06-19, 22:27:55 »
What's the link for registration submission?  Also, am I correct in guessing you must be an active SCA member to do so?

You submit you stuff through your Kingdoms Heralds (who's your local branch Herald?), and the SCA got permission to not worry about conflicting with real world designs so long as they are not direct copies. You can use your families heraldry if you can prove you have a mundane legal right to, as some have.
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Re: Heraldic Design
« Reply #114 on: 2014-06-20, 01:52:23 »
What's the link for registration submission?  Also, am I correct in guessing you must be an active SCA member to do so?

You submit you stuff through your Kingdoms Heralds (who's your local branch Herald?), and the SCA got permission to not worry about conflicting with real world designs so long as they are not direct copies. You can use your families heraldry if you can prove you have a mundane legal right to, as some have.

My ribs are common family heraldry for Acosta family names...but the colors and design is my own...I should be fine :)

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Re: Heraldic Design
« Reply #115 on: 2014-06-20, 06:56:54 »
What's the link for registration submission?  Also, am I correct in guessing you must be an active SCA member to do so?

You submit you stuff through your Kingdoms Heralds (who's your local branch Herald?), and the SCA got permission to not worry about conflicting with real world designs so long as they are not direct copies. You can use your families heraldry if you can prove you have a mundane legal right to, as some have.

My ribs are common family heraldry for Acosta family names...but the colors and design is my own...I should be fine :)
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Re: Heraldic Design
« Reply #116 on: 2014-06-21, 03:24:30 »
As promised, this summer I would edit my heraldry in hope I come closer to my goal. Here is an updated version I decided on. The difference here is I made the stag more simple, I also made the green slightly darker. but I cant decide on the right shade of green that I want. I also smoothed and thinned out the border a bit as well. I think either this summer or the next, I will try to join a local SCA group near Philadelphia and submit my heraldry, that is if I decide that this is it.


Here I also have an idea for a surcoat. I cannot find a way to incorporate the stag though. I chose this pattern because if I were to make a hart/stag crest for my helm it would replace the need for it on my surcoat. Though, I could just put the chief and 3 formee crosses on the surcoat on the bosom. Opinions?
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Re: Heraldic Design
« Reply #117 on: 2014-06-21, 04:22:31 »
Nice job, Aiden. The parti-color surcoat with counter-changing crosses is perfect look. Go with it.  ;D
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Re: Heraldic Design
« Reply #118 on: 2014-06-21, 12:41:22 »

I actually really like that. Nice job!
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Re: Heraldic Design
« Reply #119 on: 2014-06-21, 14:01:46 »
Very cool!
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