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Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #105 on: 2011-05-26, 15:46:35 »
well really if you were a man at arms on foot you really wouldnt be wearing tassets. i think they are manly for horseback.

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Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #106 on: 2011-05-26, 15:58:51 »
Agreed on the need for more security w/regard to the mail...but then, I imagine that they would've been somewhat tailored to fit a specific person, so they probably did not experience what we do now with our 'few sizes fits all' style that we're accustomed to seeing.

Last season I tried lacing down some of the more floppier areas but they came undone toward the end of the first day.
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Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #107 on: 2011-05-26, 16:19:38 »
sometimes i wonder how much mail was actually tied more like in the move kingdom of heaven. the artists may have just left it off the paintings etc so we don't think about the need. there's only so much tailoring that can be done with mail that makes it immobile or unable to put on one would think.

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Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #108 on: 2011-05-26, 16:31:02 »
I think you may be correct Sir Wolf because I’ve added some hidden leather laces on the inside of my arms to keep the sleeves at the best length for me, which all allows some extra mobility to my upper arms in general without the maille binding me.  ;)
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Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #109 on: 2011-05-26, 16:42:32 »
Sir Brian, I'm going to need to see that...I had mine outside of the mail and that did not help.
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Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #110 on: 2011-05-26, 17:15:18 »
Nothing really to it Sir William! You wear the maille and pull the sleeve inside out to the location of where you want it secured, then hand your lovely assistant some leather lacing and instruct her to lace within every other ring and then tie it into a square knot. Leave enough length so you can make a loose loop knot to keep the lacing in the same location when you remove the maille.

The best part is when it is secured the maille hangs over the lacing, obscuring it even more.  ;)
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Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #111 on: 2011-05-26, 17:41:10 »
sometimes i wonder how much mail was actually tied more like in the move kingdom of heaven. the artists may have just left it off the paintings etc so we don't think about the need. there's only so much tailoring that can be done with mail that makes it immobile or unable to put on one would think.

Yep, that's my theory. They just didn't bother to draw it, but there was probably a lot of lacing.
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Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #112 on: 2011-05-26, 18:49:01 »
Nothing really to it Sir William! You wear the maille and pull the sleeve inside out to the location of where you want it secured, then hand your lovely assistant some leather lacing and instruct her to lace within every other ring and then tie it into a square knot. Leave enough length so you can make a loose loop knot to keep the lacing in the same location when you remove the maille.

The best part is when it is secured the maille hangs over the lacing, obscuring it even more.  ;)

You make it sound very simple...I assure you, I shall have problems.  LOL
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Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #113 on: 2011-05-26, 19:56:28 »
and this is why it is good to armour up with a good page! or other knights around you.

ugg what a pain in the butt it was at the "Steed" last year at MDRF. both putting it on and taking it off. my princess didn't know what to do nor was strong enough to help.. ehehehe

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Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #114 on: 2011-05-26, 20:37:57 »
While a COP would certainly be good, I personally think it would look great with a simple globose breastplate. Nothing fancy, just a single formed piece of steel with no rivets or articulations, like this one:

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That looks familiar. :D

It's stainless, but has a black finish. The black is flaking off all over my floor, so I'm assuming it'll wear down and be less black over time.

Mine is doing the same, and oily while doing it, too. I've read about throwing it inside a few pillow cases and putting it in the dryer, but I think I'll take the safe route and get some sand, throw the mail and sand in a bucket, secure the lid on the bucket and roll it around for a while.

I saw a *really* nice setup drawn up many years back. It was a scale "skateboard" half-pipe that had a cutout directly down the middle all the way through, and a barrel with a ridge all the way around it that fit into that cutout (same concept as a train track). It was maybe 5' long and 4' high, as a best guess, ideal height would probably depend on the weight of the mail and how high one can lift it easily.

You would put the mail and sand in the barrel, secure the top, then lift it up the halfpipe and place it in the notch, then push it over the edge. It would roll down the halfpipe and up the other side, and would keep doing so for 4-6 times, so that you didn't have to constantly push it around.

It was designed to remove rust, and is based on (what I understand to be) period references to barrels of sand and other abrasives that were used to clean and polish the mail. A better alternative is a squire of course, but lacking that, it's a cool idea. Never did see one actually constructed, though the concept seems sound.
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Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #115 on: 2011-05-26, 20:50:24 »
I am gonna need a squire to put on my armor, thank god I have friends who like to come with me to ren faires, they can be my squires. Can only imagine how difficult it is to put on plate by yourself.

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Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #116 on: 2011-05-26, 23:52:37 »
if you want a cheap globose breastplate, Cet from Rough from the hammer is your man. 80$ in stainless or 65$ in mild steel. you will need to strap it yourself and if you want any sorta finish you will have to do that as well. but if you are covering it with a surcoat you wouldn't need to. http://www.roughfromthehammer.com/parts.html

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Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #117 on: 2011-05-27, 20:50:44 »

OK, here's the most immediate things I need to work on:

1. Gauntlets. I forgot about these gorgeous blue wisby gauntlets. I'm looking at those, or hourglass gaunts from maybe Best Armor. Thoughts?

2. Mail adjustments. I can taper the sleeves later, as it's not a huge hindrance. But the lack of expansion at the bottom really gets in the way when it pulls tight. It's hard to sit down in it. Since KOA has my loose rings and rivets on horrendously-long back-order, what I think I might do is go ahead and split the sides, and add the expansion mail with crappy butt-links for the time being. It's a temporary fix, and the links will look out of place in both color and shape, but it'll be on the sides and mostly under the surcoat anyway. I have some linked sections of galvanized butt links already, so the work would go quickly. I hope this doesn't offend anyone's sensibilities too badly. :)


Of course, later I'll look into the greaves, breastplate, and a new helm as well.

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Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #118 on: 2011-05-27, 21:13:57 »
protest protest hahahha jkjk. kewlness

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Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #119 on: 2011-05-28, 01:01:49 »
Since KOA has my loose rings and rivets on horrendously-long back-order, what I think I might do is go ahead and split the sides, and add the expansion mail with crappy butt-links for the time being. It's a temporary fix, and the links will look out of place in both color and shape, but it'll be on the sides and mostly under the surcoat anyway. I have some linked sections of galvanized butt links already, so the work would go quickly.

Expansions added. Wow, suddenly the armor is also a lot easier to get in and out of too. Nice.
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