Help on Gothic Harness!

[Das Bill]

Wasson does excellent work. Good choice.

[Sir Rodney]

I agree that Jeff Wasson is a good choice.  I don't own any of his work, but every one of his pieces I've seen "look right" and appear to be well researched.  I've had the pleasure of some minor correspondence with Mr. Wasson and found him to have a deep and genuine knowledge of armour as well as a pleasant personality. 

[Sir William]

Wow @ Wasson...first time I've heard or seen their work but man is it gorgeous.

[Sir Brian]

Isn't he the guy that makes a new set of armor for his son almost every year? since he was two?

[Sir Wolf]

no that is umm crud totally lost it. its on the tip of my tongue.

[Das Bill]

Isn't he the guy that makes a new set of armor for his son almost every year? since he was two?

You're thinking of Wade Allen.
http://www.ils.unc.edu/~allen/newarmour.html

[Sir Brian]

Ah yes that's him! Thanks Bill! 

[Joshua Santana]

I see that everyone is in full agreement with the Harness choice as well as armorer choice!

Now this idea just came to me, since i was earlier creating prototypes from Merc tailors, why not I create a full Kit from Merc tailor's with the Jousting Helmet from Ice Falcon!

The Kit would be for HEMA related purposes, as well a kit for other organizations that keep sending me the invites (SCA, Adrian Empire, Markland Medieval Mercenary Militia/Order of the Golden Lion)

So it would look like this:



















(Now bear in mind that this is a Kit prototype)

So hence I would be ordering (with the monies) a Full Harness and a Full Kit!  Not bad eh?

[SirNathanQ]

If you've got the budget, go with Wasson. If he does the whole rig, it's flow together beautifully. Another thing to look out for is interchangability of parts. Some armours just aren't compatible because of sizing differences. It's not the armourer's fault either, just if you're dead set on multiple armourers, at least make sure they know what the designs are going to look like to accommodate them. (Especially if you've got fluting)

BTW, Man-at-arms = Knight. In period literature, they are interchangeable. Throw out the notion of a band of pantsless mercenaries running through the countrside with a muddied and bloodied half harness and a gauntlet strapped to their head.
Men-at-arms were the posh thing to be. A knight might be a foppish couch potato with a title, but a Man-at-arms... The title really says it all

[Joshua Santana]

Sir Nathan: I thank you for your advice.  If I have the budget, I would go for it all the way.  But if worse does come to worse, I would resort with a Maximilian style harness where the suit would be Merc Tailors or Patrick Thaden.  But still thanks,  I like the title "Man at Arms" thanks to you!

[Sir Edward]

Yep, a man-at-arms is the same thing, just without the knight title (or with it, it can be an inclusive term).

[Sir William]

If he posts all those pics just a few more times, I think Sir Edward will have to start paying additional fees for the extra space.  lol

[Joshua Santana]

Then I will cease and decease on posting pics, and just post links to the individual pieces.  That should be more fun!

[Joshua Santana]

Now let's try this again, shall we?

Point Summary:  I will go for Wasson all the way but it depends on my personal budget.  If trhe quote price from Wasson doesn't fit into my budget.  I will then resort to a Maximilian Style Full Harness or Full Kit from either Merc Tailor's or from Patrick Thaden.  As you can see, I have a back up plan (keep in mind this is only for future reference).

16th Century Full Harness Prototype (Maximilian Style)

http://www.thadenarmory.com/gallery/gallery_armor.htm
(Suit based on variant elements of German Armour, Maximilian Style.  Along with the 16th Century Close Helm.)

http://www.lightlink.com/armory/chris.html
(an example for reference, early 16th Century Close Helm is just an idea for Full Kit)

Another historical reference

http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_ana_charlesv.html

Full Kit Ideas

Helmets

http://armourandcastings.com/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=363

http://www.museumreplicas.com/p-1011-tudor-close-helm.aspx

http://www.therionarms.com/reenact/therionarms_c1250.html

http://www.bytheswordinc.com/p-1634-maximilian-close-helm-ah-3824.aspx

http://www.therionarms.com/reenact/therionarms_c1029.html
(Late 15th Century Style Idea)

Gorget
http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=50

Pauldrons
http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=55

Breastplate
http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=37

Arms Harness
http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=31

Gauntlets
http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=41

Leg Harness
http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=26&products_id=141

Greaves
http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=26&products_id=74

Concept idea came from Stephan Fick's Harness showing here:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150116563013255&set=a.10150116562168255.317136.630693254&type=1&theater
(Only with either a Armet Helmet or Close Helmet instead of a Burgonet)

What I am trying to get to is the conceptual idea of 16th Century Style Kits that resemble these

http://www.myarmoury.com/view.html?features/pic_eng02.jpg

http://www.myarmoury.com/view.html?features/pic_mow_charlesv17.jpg

http://www.myarmoury.com/view.html?features/pic_mow_clifford03.jpg

Here is an essay on MyArmory.com that talks about the 16th century Style Harnesses
http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_16c_armour.html

I hope this helps everyone in terms of my back up plan and what is based on what.  But keep in mind that this is just a plan in case that the Wasson Quote doesn't meet up with my budget.  I will let you all know when that happens.

Cheers!

[Sir James A]

If he posts all those pics just a few more times, I think Sir Edward will have to start paying additional fees for the extra space.  lol

If the pics are hotlinked to the other site (versus attachments), it doesn't cost Sir Edward anything for bandwidth, as it's being displayed from the other server. That's why you can't see the KOA pics, since KOA is blocked for you, but ModernChivalry isn't, you can see the content from the MC server, but not KOA.

I would say with so many pics, linking is better from a visual standpoint, since the pages get gigantimonious with so many pics, and then someone quotes the post with the pics...