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Re: Creating a society/order?
« Reply #105 on: 2010-11-15, 20:42:25 »

BTW, the Dering Roll of Arms is the oldest known roll of arms to exist from England. It was made famous by being altered later, by Dering, to forge a knightly lineage for himself.

But it's serving as a sort of model for what I want to do with the membership page on the website. A nice big roll of arms. The ORder of Selohaar does this too:  http://selohaar.org/rollofarms.htm
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Re: Creating a society/order?
« Reply #106 on: 2010-11-15, 20:57:16 »

BTW, if you guys have higher-resolution versions of your heraldry, I can use that to make prettier images for our Roll of Arms. Otherwise, I can try to redraw and reshape what you have already, but it probably won't look as good.
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Re: Creating a society/order?
« Reply #107 on: 2010-11-16, 00:42:27 »
I really like the look of that Selohaar roll of arms page!  Something like that would be great for the Order's site.  Are you wanting the shields shaped like Selohaar's, or some other shape?  We should try to be uniform on that.  Also, how high a resolution do you need?  One last thing, on the Ordre's page, I noticed several of our arm still have the white backgrounds along the bottom.  Is there anything we need to do about that when we submit the high res versions, or will just cut that out when you paste them into the page?
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Re: Creating a society/order?
« Reply #108 on: 2010-11-16, 04:25:08 »
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~grahamrussell/russell/russellcofabig.jpg i couldn't get the blazon or the other one to work right. here is mine sorta. my scallops are dark grey as is the background metal where it shows white. the lion is all red. as seen:


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Re: Creating a society/order?
« Reply #109 on: 2010-11-16, 15:49:05 »
I really like the look of that Selohaar roll of arms page!  Something like that would be great for the Order's site.  Are you wanting the shields shaped like Selohaar's, or some other shape?  We should try to be uniform on that.  Also, how high a resolution do you need?  One last thing, on the Ordre's page, I noticed several of our arm still have the white backgrounds along the bottom.  Is there anything we need to do about that when we submit the high res versions, or will just cut that out when you paste them into the page?

Yep, I went back and removed the white border (added transparency in a PNG) on them after my last post. Right now I've just been trying to make them more or less the same size (fit within a 200x200 box). Anything bigger helps, ideally at least twice that size. Eventually I'd like to make them all uniform in shape too, but that does mean more complex re-drawing.

Wolf, I'll see if I can hack together one for yours.
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Re: Creating a society/order?
« Reply #110 on: 2010-11-16, 15:59:26 »
Wolf, I'll see if I can hack together one for yours.

Done.

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Re: Creating a society/order?
« Reply #111 on: 2010-11-16, 16:15:54 »
hey thanks ! i couldn't get the colors to change on the scallops

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Re: Creating a society/order?
« Reply #112 on: 2010-11-16, 16:16:12 »
NICE...and point taken about differentiation from my own if I want to register it w/SCA.
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Re: Creating a society/order?
« Reply #113 on: 2010-11-16, 17:00:25 »

I'm going ahead and buying the pro version of that java based COA editor. I think that's the better one to standardize on (over Blazon95, though the latter can teach you a lot about enforcing the rules of tincture, etc). I'm using it to do the basic design and then doing touch-ups after the fact, like adding Sir Wolf's scallops.

Even the free version generates the images at a good size for web use though.
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Re: Creating a society/order?
« Reply #114 on: 2010-11-16, 17:18:52 »
I put up Sir Brian's as well:

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Re: Creating a society/order?
« Reply #115 on: 2010-11-16, 19:08:59 »
I also redrew these. Let me know what you guys think:

     
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Re: Creating a society/order?
« Reply #116 on: 2010-11-16, 19:31:12 »
Looks great. I'll see what I can do this week about getting a functional roster app set up. Standardizing the arms by using the same app to draw them all is a perfect idea. :)
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Re: Creating a society/order?
« Reply #117 on: 2010-11-16, 20:04:01 »

I'm running into limitations in it, such as not being able to define a "section" for ordinaries and the like. So for Sir Brian's I had to hack in the wavy edge manually. But using one program as the basis and then editing from there in a graphics editor seems to be the way to go.
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Re: Creating a society/order?
« Reply #118 on: 2010-11-16, 20:45:45 »
Hey man, that's looking good!  I'm still working on mine...couldn't get Blazon to load for some reason...
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Re: Creating a society/order?
« Reply #119 on: 2010-11-16, 21:11:40 »

OK, I blazoned the existing ones on the roll of arms, and put blanks in for everyone elses shields.

BTW, also found a good primer on heraldry, and it gets into some of the more complex terminology too:  http://www.americanheraldry.org/pages/index.php?n=Primer.Page1
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