Creating a society/order?

[Sir Edward]

and i bet if u look real hard you'll find a 10 year old pizza like we did when we moved u out of your dads house ehhehehe

Hah! Impossible. I only lived there for about 2 years. Pictures or it didn't happen.

Boy, we're really off topic now.

[Sir William]

THAT story begs telling Sir Edward...we await you!

lol

[Sir Patrick]

Maybe he was saving for a siege 

[Sir Edward]

THAT story begs telling Sir Edward...we await you!

lol

Nah, nothing to tell. I lived at my dad's place for a couple of years between college and the working world, and lots of folks came to help me move. And it was only when we were loading the truck that we realized how much there was to move. My dad kept magically turning up more boxes. Some of which were things I didn't think were mine... you know... "while you're at it, you can have this too!" Hehe.

[Sir Edward]

I can't believe it slipped my mind that you have already received the Accolade, Sir Edward; so you're a Knight already.  We just need you to dub us!

... And to get this back on topic...

I did want to reply to this again and clarify. I was knighted in another organization (a long time ago, and it doesn't exist anymore, and mostly just to justify having me create an Order for others to be knighted into, etc)... but I haven't been knighted into this Order.

A person could be a Knight of Columbus, or a Knight of the Garter, but until we knight them, they're not a Knight of the Marshal. So I need the ceremony too, whichever way you look at it.

The question then becomes, what order do we do the ceremonies? Should someone knight me first so that I can then turn around and knight everyone else? Or the other way around?

[Sir William]

I am of the mind that, once a knight, always a knight and you have been dubbed a knight already.  Induction into an order is another thing, since it is your order, I think the 3 of us that you knight can swear an oath of recognition and fealty to our new Knight Commander (you).

I'm looking at it like this- you have already been dubbed a knight; from that point on, you are a knight no matter where you find yourself.  I don't feel that you need to be inducted into your own order- if it were not for you, none of us would be here now, on this site- preparing to join your Order.

However, I suspect you do like the ceremonial aspects (as do we all) so that's all to the good as well.  In short, do as you like- we shall support it. 

[Sir Brian]

I am in agreement with Sir William insofar as once a knight always a knight. However I can certainly understand and wholeheartedly agree that some form of ceremony is required with the start of a new order and the raising of the order’s first Knight Commander.

Perhaps those newly knighted members could then conduct a separate and different ceremony of raising you up to the station of Knight Commander along with some token of the new position?

I was thinking perhaps using the challenge coin as a pendant and add it to your knight’s chain. All order members could have the garter but only the KC would have the challenge coin pendant. 

[Sir William]

Sir Brian, I like that...the newly belted knights can then raise up their KC.  I like the challenge coin/pendant idea as well.  What say you, Sir Edward?

If we do do that, it'd be nice if we had the pendant ready for the ceremony. 

[Sir James A]

Perhaps those newly knighted members could then conduct a separate and different ceremony of raising you up to the station of Knight Commander along with some token of the new position?

I like this idea. I think that Sir Edward should knight the other members first, as they haven't received an accolade from any other organization (that I know of), their giving Sir Edward the accolade first seems backwards, as he is the only one knighted elsewhere at this point.

[Sir Edward]

That's not a bad idea. Anyone have any suggestions as to how that part of the ceremony should differ?

[Sir William]

An idea.

Upon completion of the knighting ceremony, perhaps the newly knighted can then swear oaths of loyalty to the Order, and to the first Knight Commander of said Order, Lord Edward of Toton, something like that?

I mean, we should give it the gravitas we receive during the accolade, no?  Something like:

"I, Sir Your Name Here do solemnly swear to uphold the Order with all honor and chivalry, and agree to abide by the rulings of the Knight Commander as well as the bylaws of said Order as they are written and shall discharge my duties as a Knight of the Order of the Marshal with all of the honesty and integrity I possess as a Knight and as Head of my House."

Or something very like.  Ideas, thoughts, suggestions, criticisms?

[Sir Brian]

Hmm we can work the fealty oath to the KC after this perhaps?

I was thinking that one of us new knights could officiate by addressing all present  that as a new order we would now raise up one among us to bear the mantle of leadership for our knightly order. He (Sir William or I) should mention that as representatives of our order we will preside over the ceremony and see that the will of the order is fulfilled.

The candidate should then be called forth to and kneel before the two officiating knights.

Knight One: “"Who comes before us seeking the mantle of Leadership?"”

KC: “"I do! Sir Edward ..." (and whatever applicable titles you wish to add).

Knight Two: “"Whom do you seek to Serve?"”

KC: “"My brethren both great and small in station within the Order of the Marshall."”

Both Knights in Unison: “"And how will you command them?"”

KC: “"In Honor, Chivalry, Truth and righteous Humility."”

Knight One addressing the entire Order: “"Brethren do you accept Sir Edward as your Knight Commander of our Order? Signify your consent with an AYE".

Knight Two presents the knight’s chain with the Knight Commander Pendant and places it around the Knight Commander's neck.

Knight One and Two in Unison: "Arise Sir Edward and accept our homage and our oaths of fealty."

"I, Sir Your Name Here do solemnly swear to uphold the Order with all honor and chivalry, and agree to abide by the rulings of the Knight Commander as well as the bylaws of said Order as they are written and shall discharge my duties as a Knight of the Order of the Marshal with all of the honesty and integrity I possess as a Knight and as Head of my House."

What do you all think?

[Sir Edward]

I like it. I'm horrible with memorization, so I'm thinking some scrolls are in order.

Since we don't currently have a medallion, perhaps just a symbolic chain will suffice? I can bring a box-chain I made a while back.


(to those who don't have access to the Order's forum area, this is all coming right on the heals of working out the ceremony for knighting the other knights, and a certificate design to give them)

[Sir William]

I like Sir Brian's a good deal better than mine own...I put forth that his is the delivery we go with.  I don't think a colee will be necessary for you, Sir Edward.

[Sir Wolf]

ah well then, i don't have to be at the knighting ceremony since i dont need to be knighted i mean i reeeeeealllllyyyy wanna come and see you guys but sigh, kids come first. i can just oath to the new order.