"We don't receive wisdom; we must discover it for ourselves after a journey (Quest?) that no one can take for us or spare us."
                -- Marcel Post (1871 - 1922)

Author Topic: oh the agony of the 14th century kit  (Read 23865 times)

Sir Wolf

  • He Who is Not to be Named
  • Knight of the Order
  • Forum Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 5,389
  • i have too many hats
    • man e faces
oh the agony of the 14th century kit
« on: 2010-10-24, 04:31:15 »
should i go 1330s-1340s


or 1350s-1360s

Sir Patrick

  • Knight of the Order
  • Forum Acolyte
  • ****
  • Posts: 1,647
  • Nex pro inhonesto, Deus pro totus.
    • The Order of the Marshal
Re: oh the agony of the 14th century kit
« Reply #1 on: 2010-10-24, 04:37:23 »
I'm partial to 1330-1340 myself.  Either way, it's going to be tough tracking down a dead lion to stand on. ;D
Gules, a chevron argent between three cinquefoils ermine.
"Better to live one day as a lion, than a thousand as a lamb."
Knight, Order of the Marshal

Sir Wolf

  • He Who is Not to be Named
  • Knight of the Order
  • Forum Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 5,389
  • i have too many hats
    • man e faces
Re: oh the agony of the 14th century kit
« Reply #2 on: 2010-10-24, 04:38:25 »
i am thinking more of the later.

helmet w/ aventail:


Coat of Plates: (but with my own flair)



attached spaulders to rerebracers to single lame elbows to full cannon vambracers with beseguews and roundel fans.

visby style gauntlets attached to glove.

mail hauberk 3/4 sleeve riveted.

aketon/thin gambeson.

leather internal splinted chausis.

soupcan knees.

mail chausis.

gutter greaves.

simple lamed sabetons.


Sir Patrick

  • Knight of the Order
  • Forum Acolyte
  • ****
  • Posts: 1,647
  • Nex pro inhonesto, Deus pro totus.
    • The Order of the Marshal
Re: oh the agony of the 14th century kit
« Reply #4 on: 2010-10-24, 05:08:57 »
I like that helm.  What kind of flair did you have in mind for the COP?  BTW, I have very much admired that kit on armor archive for quite a while, and look forward to seeing your take on the period.
« Last Edit: 2010-10-24, 05:16:59 by The Red Knight »
Gules, a chevron argent between three cinquefoils ermine.
"Better to live one day as a lion, than a thousand as a lamb."
Knight, Order of the Marshal

Sir Wolf

  • He Who is Not to be Named
  • Knight of the Order
  • Forum Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 5,389
  • i have too many hats
    • man e faces
Re: oh the agony of the 14th century kit
« Reply #5 on: 2010-10-24, 05:11:32 »
something like that around the bottom edge.

still playing things out in my mind

not sure if i want that helmet, or just a simple bassinet with no visor and a great helmet to wear over it...

Sir Patrick

  • Knight of the Order
  • Forum Acolyte
  • ****
  • Posts: 1,647
  • Nex pro inhonesto, Deus pro totus.
    • The Order of the Marshal
Re: oh the agony of the 14th century kit
« Reply #6 on: 2010-10-24, 19:34:22 »
So those are COPs, not jupons on the effigies?  Have you thought about the belts?  I really like plaque belts in general, and that double rig on the last effigy is pretty cool.
Gules, a chevron argent between three cinquefoils ermine.
"Better to live one day as a lion, than a thousand as a lamb."
Knight, Order of the Marshal

Sir Wolf

  • He Who is Not to be Named
  • Knight of the Order
  • Forum Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 5,389
  • i have too many hats
    • man e faces
Re: oh the agony of the 14th century kit
« Reply #7 on: 2010-10-24, 20:57:08 »
no i forgot about the jupons worn over top of the cops. heck i could just use an early globose breastplate for 1360s but I like coats of plates.

i dunno. lots of little details i need to work out. ho hum hehehe

Sir Wolf

  • He Who is Not to be Named
  • Knight of the Order
  • Forum Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 5,389
  • i have too many hats
    • man e faces
Re: oh the agony of the 14th century kit
« Reply #8 on: 2010-10-25, 02:19:41 »
sigh i still dont know what to do hehehe. 1330s would be easier to make really. hmmmm any more thoughts on this subject?

Sir William

  • Cogito ergo sum
  • Knight of the Order
  • Forum Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 7,154
Re: oh the agony of the 14th century kit
« Reply #9 on: 2010-10-25, 15:23:10 »
I think of it like this:  the more armor you must acquire, the more fun it'll be, so I'd go with the latter part of the 14th Century.  For me, anyways, a lot of the fun is in the building of a kit, you know?

Thing is, if you have a good base to start with (a good mail coat, or some good plate armor parts) then your kit will be that much better when you're finished putting it all together.  I've noticed that I've slowly made my way toward more current times (my first kit was 11th C, all mail, butted at that- still have the coif!) as I become more enamored with plate armor and the myriad styles and designs that you can get ahold of makes it quite a fun and rewarding exercise.

For next year, I need new legs, a helm and I need to tailor my hauberk to fit me better; seeing some of the rigs you guys wear has gotten me to thinking.  :)
« Last Edit: 2010-10-25, 15:23:29 by Paladin »
The Black Knight, Order of the Marshal
'Per Pale Azure and Sable, a Chevron counterchanged fimbriated argent.' 
“Pride makes a man, it drives him, it is the shield wall around his reputation.  Men die, but reputation does not.â€

Sir Patrick

  • Knight of the Order
  • Forum Acolyte
  • ****
  • Posts: 1,647
  • Nex pro inhonesto, Deus pro totus.
    • The Order of the Marshal
Re: oh the agony of the 14th century kit
« Reply #10 on: 2010-10-25, 15:56:17 »
Could you start 1330s and just add stuff over time to hit 1360s?  That was, if I'm not mistaken, a period of rapid transition so It wouldn't look weird to be a little mixed.
Gules, a chevron argent between three cinquefoils ermine.
"Better to live one day as a lion, than a thousand as a lamb."
Knight, Order of the Marshal

Sir William

  • Cogito ergo sum
  • Knight of the Order
  • Forum Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 7,154
Re: oh the agony of the 14th century kit
« Reply #11 on: 2010-10-25, 16:03:18 »
Red Knight, you could do exactly that.  That's pretty much how I've done it...I've changed out pieces as it suited me to do so over the years.  I no longer have any of the first parts of armor that I'd acquired...oh man...it seems I started doing this 6 or so years ago.  Sure doesn't feel like it!

Anyway, I think the 'conglomerate' look would probably lend some historicity to the harness, at least from my POV.
The Black Knight, Order of the Marshal
'Per Pale Azure and Sable, a Chevron counterchanged fimbriated argent.' 
“Pride makes a man, it drives him, it is the shield wall around his reputation.  Men die, but reputation does not.â€

Sir Wolf

  • He Who is Not to be Named
  • Knight of the Order
  • Forum Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 5,389
  • i have too many hats
    • man e faces
Re: oh the agony of the 14th century kit
« Reply #12 on: 2010-10-26, 00:19:21 »
ya thanks guys. i think i'll start our 1330/40s and then get more add ons. only thing is the helmet/aventail. they are very different from the 2 time frames. the earlier are shorter helms with more mail, while the later are longer sides. and the earlier looks like the mail is riveted inside the helm and the later is attached to the outside. ho hum i hate being anal sometimes hehehe.

looks like i'll order some Rough from the hammer pieces and make the rest.

Sir William

  • Cogito ergo sum
  • Knight of the Order
  • Forum Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 7,154
Re: oh the agony of the 14th century kit
« Reply #13 on: 2010-10-26, 14:54:26 »
Post lots of pics, Sir Wolf- evolution is always fun to witness.  On an aside, do you think it'd be overkill if I sprang for my own effigy for when I kick the bucket?

What a morbid thought...
« Last Edit: 2010-10-26, 14:55:05 by Paladin »
The Black Knight, Order of the Marshal
'Per Pale Azure and Sable, a Chevron counterchanged fimbriated argent.' 
“Pride makes a man, it drives him, it is the shield wall around his reputation.  Men die, but reputation does not.â€

Sir Ancelyn

  • Squire of the Order
  • Forum Follower
  • ***
  • Posts: 178
  • Lux Lucet in Tenebris
    • Thoughts from Firethorn
Re: oh the agony of the 14th century kit
« Reply #14 on: 2010-10-26, 16:41:40 »
Why not. 

Just get a nice churchyard burial somewhere and place the grave/efigy so that people come up on it unawares and exclaim in surprise and delight.