Ed's Mid 14th C. kit

[Sir Edward]

it is! but i worry it is too early like the sugarloaf for his kit. source: http://home.scarlet.be/~klauwaer/helm/  http://talbotsfineaccessories.com/armour/effigy/All-Effigies.htm

True, but the helm looks mostly like a bascinet, just with the more sugarloaf-like faceplate. It's almost a transitional design incorporating elements of a bascinet and a sugarloaf. So, it might not be too bad. But, as we said, it's expensive. No easy solution for me!

[Das Bill]

I was just looking at this guy's site:

http://jollyknight.com.ua/

He has some pretty reasonable prices for some really nice 14th century helmets, many of which you could fight in.

[Sir Edward]

I was just looking at this guy's site:

http://jollyknight.com.ua/

He has some pretty reasonable prices for some really nice 14th century helmets, many of which you could fight in.

Those do look like some good options. Very cool.

[Sir William]

Heeyyyy, he makes some really good looking helms!

[Sir Edward]

it is! but i worry it is too early like the sugarloaf for his kit. source: http://home.scarlet.be/~klauwaer/helm/  http://talbotsfineaccessories.com/armour/effigy/All-Effigies.htm

One of the charts shows great helms still being in use throughout the 14th C.



According to the chart, the bascinets start to appear in the 1310s, but never completely edge out the great helms until the end of the century. That's cool to know. Maybe I just need more of a round-top great helm if I don't settle on a bascinet.

[Sir William]

That's pretty cool...does he list a source(s) for that info?

[Sir Brian]

Well since you already have a great helm you could still look for a bascinet with a visor to allow you that extra versatility!

[Sir William]

You're absolutely right...that's next on the list, well, either that or a customized Barbuta that I saw on jolly something or other.  Actually, I wouldn't mind a helm like yours, but instead of the usual visor, I'd like it to be a rough approximation of my face.  That'd cost an arm and leg though probably.

One day!

[Sir Edward]

That's pretty cool...does he list a source(s) for that info?

It's all from historical effigies. I think he just looked at them and counted up how many were equipped with what.

[Sir Ulrich]

it is! but i worry it is too early like the sugarloaf for his kit. source: http://home.scarlet.be/~klauwaer/helm/  http://talbotsfineaccessories.com/armour/effigy/All-Effigies.htm

Interesting link, now that gives me an idea of what I should do. I actually am considering early 14th century like the rest of you guys.

[Joshua Santana]

At this point, I believe we all will become a 14th Century Style Chivalric Order (Come to think of it)!

[Sir Edward]

At this point, I believe we all will become a 14th Century Style Chivalric Order (Come to think of it)!

Heh, what's amusing about that is that in the SCA, from what I understand there's a lot of folks who consider the 14th to be the "one true century". I can understand why. There's not only the huge transition of armor, but also an explosion of color and heraldry and pageantry. It sort of visually encompasses much of what has drawn us to the period.

[Joshua Santana]

Heh, what's amusing about that is that in the SCA, from what I understand there's a lot of folks who consider the 14th to be the "one true century". I can understand why. There's not only the huge transition of armor, but also an explosion of color and heraldry and pageantry. It sort of visually encompasses much of what has drawn us to the period.

My thoughts exactly Sir Edward!

[Sir Wolf]

ya it recently has become a huge draw for the SCA in Atlantia. James Barker is a leader in part of this with all of his awesome kits and shoes.

[Sir Rodney]

I've always been drawn to the bascinet with houndskull visor.  I don't know why, maybe because it just looks MEAN.

I believe the internet and forums such as this have had a profound impact on the advancement of SCA armours from all periods.  In the old days (my first armour photographs were taken with a Polaroid Instamatic camera) I was inspired by books, movies, people I met at SCA events and the local Ren Fair.  This was a rather limited pool for period correct historical inspiration and good information was slow to be disseminated.  With the advent of the internet and forums for people with specific interests, the trickle of good information has turned into a torrent of knowledge.  The younger members here can be very thankful that you didn't have to wait weeks for a book to arrive via inter-library loan.