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Size comparison: 9mm rings vs 6mm rings
« on: 2014-02-21, 19:41:11 »
Mathematically, 6mm is 50% smaller than 9mm. No shock there. However, for a visual comparison, I took a picture of a 6mm ring next to a 9mm ring next to common US coins.



If that seems a little bit too crazy, I've handled authentic 16th century 4mm mail. Yep, even smaller than those little 6mm rings!

(Note: Rings are from IceFalcon Armory - http://www.icefalcon.com/)
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Re: Size comparison: 9mm rings vs 6mm rings
« Reply #1 on: 2014-02-21, 23:44:42 »
I had trouble pointing my arm harness to a 6mm hauberk because the space between links was too small for a normal arming point to fit through without an annoying amount of effort. Also it was about 20% heavier than my 9mm hauberk because there's so much more metal per square inch. But I will say that maille was like wearing a suit of liquid iron. A friend once joked that the mesh was so tight even the mosquitoes couldn't penetrate it.

Incidentally I'm selling that hauberk if anyone is interested LoL!

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Re: Size comparison: 9mm rings vs 6mm rings
« Reply #2 on: 2014-02-21, 23:52:35 »
What size is that hauberk? Also is it scratchy on the inside and is it alternating rings? Is it tailored at all?

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Re: Size comparison: 9mm rings vs 6mm rings
« Reply #3 on: 2014-02-22, 05:28:15 »
I had trouble pointing my arm harness to a 6mm hauberk because the space between links was too small for a normal arming point to fit through without an annoying amount of effort. Also it was about 20% heavier than my 9mm hauberk because there's so much more metal per square inch. But I will say that maille was like wearing a suit of liquid iron. A friend once joked that the mesh was so tight even the mosquitoes couldn't penetrate it.

Incidentally I'm selling that hauberk if anyone is interested LoL!

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Be sure to mention that in the market square section of the forum!
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Re: Size comparison: 9mm rings vs 6mm rings
« Reply #4 on: 2014-02-23, 01:03:59 »
I really wish I could find some round ring wedge riveted maille with alternating flat punched rings in 7MM. Only one I KNOW who sells that stuff is Erik Schmid and he has yet to get back with me over him getting his maille made in India. He did save my ass from a scammer who was using his photos and saying it was his own last year too so I am a bit more careful who I talk to about maille.

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Re: Size comparison: 9mm rings vs 6mm rings
« Reply #5 on: 2014-02-23, 04:54:54 »
I had trouble pointing my arm harness to a 6mm hauberk because the space between links was too small for a normal arming point to fit through without an annoying amount of effort. Also it was about 20% heavier than my 9mm hauberk because there's so much more metal per square inch. But I will say that maille was like wearing a suit of liquid iron. A friend once joked that the mesh was so tight even the mosquitoes couldn't penetrate it.

Incidentally I'm selling that hauberk if anyone is interested LoL!

Scott

Yes, the weave on it is substantially tighter compared to the 9mm. Extra weight, extra protection.

As Aiden said, post the hauberk up in the classifieds. I'm really tapped out, or I'd probably go for it. :)
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Re: Size comparison: 9mm rings vs 6mm rings
« Reply #6 on: 2014-02-24, 18:22:35 »
I'm not yet tapped and I'm looking Scott so post her up there.  Someone'll grab her I'm sure.
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Re: Size comparison: 9mm rings vs 6mm rings
« Reply #7 on: 2014-02-25, 01:37:38 »
Size Does Matter.
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Re: Size comparison: 9mm rings vs 6mm rings
« Reply #8 on: 2014-02-26, 02:41:26 »
Holy crap, you've handled 4mm maille?  :o The smallest I've seen at the Met Museum was about 5mm ID.
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Re: Size comparison: 9mm rings vs 6mm rings
« Reply #9 on: 2014-02-26, 03:53:45 »
Holy crap, you've handled 4mm maille?  :o The smallest I've seen at the Met Museum was about 5mm ID.

Yep, it was 3.9something but close enough to 4mm. Here's a pic of the 4mm sleeves next to a set of 6mm sleeves made using the same rings as my pic at the first post:



It moved like it was almost water. It was amazing.
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Re: Size comparison: 9mm rings vs 6mm rings
« Reply #10 on: 2014-02-26, 03:57:27 »
Thats amazing! When do I get some.
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Re: Size comparison: 9mm rings vs 6mm rings
« Reply #11 on: 2014-02-26, 03:59:37 »
Holy crap, you've handled 4mm maille?  :o The smallest I've seen at the Met Museum was about 5mm ID.

Yep, it was 3.9something but close enough to 4mm. Here's a pic of the 4mm sleeves next to a set of 6mm sleeves made using the same rings as my pic at the first post:



It moved like it was almost water. It was amazing.

Beautiful!
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Re: Size comparison: 9mm rings vs 6mm rings
« Reply #12 on: 2014-02-26, 05:48:46 »
Is that not the ring size for a mithril shirt in LoTR?
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Re: Size comparison: 9mm rings vs 6mm rings
« Reply #13 on: 2014-02-27, 01:01:27 »
Mithril is 1 mm
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