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Why do you study history?
« on: 2014-02-07, 01:25:57 »
History is studied for a multitude of reasons, but those can generally be classified into three categories: the historicist reason (studying history merely for the sake of studying it. i.e. It's there, might as well learn it), the humanist reason (studying history for the human and emotional connection to the past), and the presentist/progressive reason (studying history in order to better understand the present and thus prepare for the future). So which reason(s) do you identify with the most? Why do you study history?

I, myself, approach history from a humanistic perspective. One of the reasons I reenact various wars is in an attempt to connect on a personally human and emotional level with the past. I prefer to read personal writings, journals, and letters over treatises, political histories, and battle campaigns. Even my thesis was an effort to understand the emotional cost of war.
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Re: Why do you study history?
« Reply #1 on: 2014-02-07, 01:36:36 »
I favor the humanist approach too.  I particularly zero in on the military experiences of our ancestors, because as a military man myself I find it to be a fascinating way to explore my connection to those who have gone before me.  I think part of the reason I was drawn to my profession as a military pilot was because it was as close as I could get to a modern day knight, sallying forth in a helicopter as a steed instead of a horse, but hey we have to make do with what we have :)    I also enjoy the nitty gritty details of material culture of the past (construction techniques for period crafts, clothing etc).

I find that the presentist/progressive reason that you describe happens more as a happy side-effect than the specific reason why I study the past, but a welcome occurrence nonetheless. 
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Re: Why do you study history?
« Reply #2 on: 2014-02-07, 02:37:52 »
I'd say I probably lean more towards the presentist/progressive reason with just a touch of humanist. I think the thing I've really gotten out of history is that it's given me such a better understanding of where we came from, where we are, and where we're going. I have a much deeper understanding of human nature in general, though I do admit I have a hard time connecting with the human emotion side of it, if that makes any sense. I always have. My brain is wired more towards facts and figures and technology of the past.
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Re: Why do you study history?
« Reply #3 on: 2014-02-07, 03:57:43 »

Out of those choices, I'd say I lean toward the humanist approach myself, with a touch of the presentist/progressive.

The catalyst that got me started was actually fantasy, from D&D and movies, and popular culture. The image of the wizard with a sword (Gandalf), or Arthurian knights, D&D styled wizards and warriors, it was all very creative and alluring. This lead me to want to understand more about the weapons and armor that inspired the fiction. The more I learned about what was real, the more interested I became in the human connection as well.

We may fantasize about it, but people actually lived and died by the weapons, armor, skills, and tactics that we study. These centuries of the past are filled with horrific pain and suffering, but also enormous beauty and accomplishment. Our ancestors were very resourceful people, and I think they still have a lot to teach us.
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Re: Why do you study history?
« Reply #4 on: 2014-02-07, 04:14:30 »
Ya I'm a humanist. Also a presentist/progressive.
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As for humanist I'd say fantasy things. Aragorn from The Lord of the rings, even the Dark lord Sauron. I think he's just such a perfect example of Evil.
Id also say Arthurian legends. King Arthur, and actually Galahad. I think my most emmotional bond to history is swords, and knights. The idea of a gleaming knight in armor, with his sword in hand, wether it be Excaliber, or Anduril, just a normal sword. As I got older I really began to study the siege on my own time in middle school And before that weapons. As I studied medieval warfare I learned an idea of what kind of armor and gear people had in different eras. Over the past 2 years I've been studying and collecting armor. Thanks to Monty Python ive grown roots to want to collect garb like they had during the 12th and 13th century's. The belief in magic swords and the greatness of medieval knights and chivalry has always pushed my research, and the way I've grown up.
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Re: Why do you study history?
« Reply #5 on: 2014-02-07, 04:50:57 »
Humanist, if anything. Most of the history doesn't hold my attention at all, but weapons and armor is the major portion of it.
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Re: Why do you study history?
« Reply #6 on: 2014-02-07, 14:55:30 »
A little bit of everything for me.
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Re: Why do you study history?
« Reply #7 on: 2014-02-07, 16:05:55 »
I would also have to say an even mixture of all three. I have always been fascinated in the strategies used throughout the history of warfare and the tactics employed in battles throughout history. I like to research more into the key influential personas throughout the ages and although I am entertained by fantasy and science fiction novels I find the real heroes and villains throughout history to be far more engaging, most especially many of the biblical characters that were truly amazing, and lest we forget, a very important influence upon the renowned medieval codices we revere and study today.
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Re: Why do you study history?
« Reply #8 on: 2014-02-07, 18:21:35 »
Im a mix of all 3. My dad was a history teacher, so growing up we were always doing "history" vacations and talking about history and it's roll in current events. I definitely jump around a bit in my historical interests, but the Middle Ages have always been my favorite. Lately, I've really gotten into a "hands on" approach to the past, focusing on how they actually made / built  things back in the day. It helps the poor knight finish his kit and be ready for the zombie apocalypse at the same time  :)
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Re: Why do you study history?
« Reply #9 on: 2014-02-07, 19:03:08 »
i like pretty pictures

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Re: Why do you study history?
« Reply #10 on: 2014-02-07, 19:49:10 »
Why? So I don't repeat it. Also cause I like good stories. :)
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Re: Why do you study history?
« Reply #11 on: 2014-02-07, 20:09:58 »
Im a mix of all 3. My dad was a history teacher, so growing up we were always doing "history" vacations and talking about history and it's roll in current events. I definitely jump around a bit in my historical interests, but the Middle Ages have always been my favorite. Lately, I've really gotten into a "hands on" approach to the past, focusing on how they actually made / built  things back in the day. It helps the poor knight finish his kit and be ready for the zombie apocalypse at the same time  :)

I was a high school history teacher for a couple of years and I think all three drive me...the feel of a musty book...the musing of what it would have been like to live in those time...the knowledge of seeing mistakes being repeated...all give me a thrill :)

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Re: Why do you study history?
« Reply #12 on: 2014-02-07, 21:13:24 »
I lean more on the humanist side, with just a dash of the first one and a little sprinkle of the last one.
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Re: Why do you study history?
« Reply #13 on: 2014-02-08, 05:43:52 »
This:

i like pretty pictures

and this:

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Why? So I don't repeat it. Also cause I like good stories.  :)

I like to pour over pictures and narrative regarding historical weapons & armour in an effort to improve my kit.  I also enjoy a good story from any period.

For example, I found The Plantagenet Chronicles 1154-1485 by Derek Wilson to be filled with good stories about one interesting, and occasionally messed up, family.  Jump back 1,000 years and The Battle of Salamis by Barry Strauss contains many good tales (Themistocles was a stud   :) ).
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