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Re: I Want To Be a 13th Century English Knight
« Reply #15 on: 2014-02-07, 04:00:34 »
Quote from: Ian on 2014-02-07, 00:08:25
One thing I'm noticing on FRENCH effigies that I'm not noticing on English, is that the French are wearing those shoulder thingies, that really weren't armor, they seem to just display heraldy:

Ailettes. :)
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Re: I Want To Be a 13th Century English Knight
« Reply #16 on: 2014-02-07, 04:16:53 »
Did they hav sugar loafs in the early 13th century?
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Re: I Want To Be a 13th Century English Knight
« Reply #17 on: 2014-02-07, 04:32:10 »
Sugarloaf helms seem to have started appearing in the last few decades of the 13th century. The pic that Sir Ian posted of Roger de Trumpington (i.e. this one here) shows what I believe to be an early sugarloaf, or something very similar.

And I just noticed: is he also wearing ailettes, or is that just some kind of decorative background?
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Re: I Want To Be a 13th Century English Knight
« Reply #18 on: 2014-02-07, 04:40:12 »
Well, I guess now I am 13th century knight. Douglas let us switch gear for a few months. I want to be a late 12th century and early 13th knight.
You can also replace all my gear while your borrowing it too.
Then we can trade back. Lol.
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Re: I Want To Be a 13th Century English Knight
« Reply #19 on: 2014-02-07, 04:55:00 »
Heh, I'm not even in the right period my own darn self. I'm sort of a "the entire 13th century exploded on me and I picked up whatever wasn't covered in peasant guts." I have early period stuff, late period stuff...I'm a mess. ;D
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Re: I Want To Be a 13th Century English Knight
« Reply #20 on: 2014-02-07, 15:08:34 »
Lord Rodney...lol - is it weird that I "heard" the voice as I read that?

I'm not quite at the threshold but I'm walking up to the door...thanks for the bit about the shield (and all the rest) Sir Ian.  Would it be safe to say that there were no heaters in the Holy Land?  That'll just mean I'll need a new shield for my Templar persona and will need to repaint the old one into something more appropriate.  I do like that Dargen helm...well, the only one I've ever seen is the one done by Royal Oak Armoury; I'm assuming it is up to LH snuff?

Douglas, hard to tell whether those are supposed to be ailettes or not...I'd say no, only because they were heraldic in purpose so it wouldn't make sense to represent the backs of them, you know what I mean?  Also, is it artistic license or was Trumpington's helm really big enough to almost encase his shoulders in it as well?

Thanks for all the good stuff guys, I'm stoked!  I'm hoping to debut this project at MDRF; I don't think I'll be able to get it all together in time for VARF.  Would love to, but I don't know...

And I just thought of something else; is there any evidence of blackened or darkened armor (other than rust) recorded during this period shortly before the 14th?  I'd hate to go thru the trouble only to find its a 'mafia' thing.  ;)

Oh and...do any of you have a suggestion as to which sword or sword type I should get?
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Re: I Want To Be a 13th Century English Knight
« Reply #21 on: 2014-02-07, 15:39:01 »
Quote from: Sir Edward on 2014-02-07, 04:00:34
Quote from: Ian on 2014-02-07, 00:08:25
One thing I'm noticing on FRENCH effigies that I'm not noticing on English, is that the French are wearing those shoulder thingies, that really weren't armor, they seem to just display heraldy:

Ailettes. :)

I was under the impression the 'jury' was still out on them being just for show or real armor - i.e. precursors to spaulders?  ???
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Re: I Want To Be a 13th Century English Knight
« Reply #22 on: 2014-02-07, 15:43:43 »
Quote from: Sir William on 2014-02-07, 15:08:34
Oh and...do any of you have a suggestion as to which sword or sword type I should get?

Oakeshott type XII, XIII, and XIV would all work for the period, I believe. You're just a hair early for a type XV, but not by much.

This would include Albions such as:

Single-hand:  Knight, Sheriff, Yeoman, Sovereign
Longswords:  Baron, Duke, Steward, Count
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Re: I Want To Be a 13th Century English Knight
« Reply #23 on: 2014-02-07, 16:08:33 »
Isn't that odd- Albion does not have a type XIII in their line up.  Well, what's not to love in that selection, right?  They're swords, I'm partial to all of them.  lol

The Sheriff, Yeoman or Sovereign would be best because either one of those could carry me into the 14th if/when I decide to go there...but part of the fun of moving on up through the ages is the necessity of a new sword, right?

So, Knight it is! 

What about heraldry and heraldry colors?  Will my current coat of arms be considered out of date or fashion by the 1290s?
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Re: I Want To Be a 13th Century English Knight
« Reply #24 on: 2014-02-07, 16:17:02 »

The simplicity of your Heraldry is very good for earlier in the century, but I'd say you're fine. Inherited arms could still be fairly simple, though a lot of the newer arms would be just starting to get more complex. It didn't really explode until deeper in the 14th, just like the armor, so I think you're probably OK.
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Re: I Want To Be a 13th Century English Knight
« Reply #25 on: 2014-02-07, 16:24:45 »
Ah good, that's a load off my mind there.  I'm attached to them as they are...
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Re: I Want To Be a 13th Century English Knight
« Reply #26 on: 2014-02-07, 16:27:58 »
On Facebook SCA group I saw this type of helm for 400 bucks...looks pretty...I think this is 13th Century no?



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Re: I Want To Be a 13th Century English Knight
« Reply #27 on: 2014-02-07, 19:55:38 »
Look for the Zweihammer one if you can find it used.

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Re: I Want To Be a 13th Century English Knight
« Reply #28 on: 2014-02-07, 20:01:36 »
Off the top of my head, the helm Belemrys linked is too early for the impression you're after Sir William.  A sugarloaf or dargen style helm would be appropriate.  And yes, the Royal Oak Armoury version of the Dargen or Madeln helm are both appropriate and both up to LH snuff.
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Re: I Want To Be a 13th Century English Knight
« Reply #29 on: 2014-02-07, 20:28:24 »

Right, that one is more of an early 13th century design. The great helms superseded those flat tops with the open backs.
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