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Re: Ed's early 14th C. kit
« Reply #120 on: 2010-07-20, 11:57:42 »
Go with the pour point! Sir Andrew suggested a pour point to me last year and I'm so glad he did! It is beyond a doubt far more comfortable than a belt! It will be another layer which will add to the heat issue of course but still more comfortable since the belts have a tendency to bite into you throughout the day.  ;)
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Re: Ed's early 14th C. kit
« Reply #121 on: 2010-07-20, 14:42:14 »
at the top of these chausis is a belt loop. ( James aka kivian has a pair) you will need to do something about the bottom of the foot though. they are open.  I have seen people make a leather sole and either sew or put rings into the sole and attach them into the rings of the mail foot.


Well, I ordered a set!

Yeah, for the foot, I'll need to see how well the mail covers the top of the foot and whether it reaches the toe tips. One thing I might be able to do is run a leather lace through the links at the edge and zig-zag it under the sole (and use a turnshoe or some other reasonably period shoe). I think this is a period way of doing it anyway, but I'm not sure.

I'll have to see if I can find some pics showing ways of doing this.
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Re: Ed's early 14th C. kit
« Reply #122 on: 2010-07-20, 14:47:33 »
Go with the pour point! Sir Andrew suggested a pour point to me last year and I'm so glad he did! It is beyond a doubt far more comfortable than a belt! It will be another layer which will add to the heat issue of course but still more comfortable since the belts have a tendency to bite into you throughout the day.  ;)

I've ordered one of these as well. I think it'll be handy to have in general, even if I end up with a belt on the chausses (which I'm used to already), since I'll be working on additional kits! :)
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Re: Ed's early 14th C. kit
« Reply #123 on: 2010-07-20, 21:03:18 »
One thing I might be able to do is run a leather lace through the links at the edge and zig-zag it under the sole (and use a turnshoe or some other reasonably period shoe). I think this is a period way of doing it anyway, but I'm not sure.

Like this:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8765199@N07/4300825325/in/set-72157606473530717/


http://www.flickr.com/photos/8765199@N07/4301572130/in/set-72157606473530717/
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Re: Ed's early 14th C. kit
« Reply #124 on: 2010-07-21, 01:55:13 »
that works too. of course i've seen guys in the SCA wear tennis shoes or boots and staple the mail to the soles sides of the shoes. so they have good footwear but its hidden heheh

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Re: Ed's early 14th C. kit
« Reply #125 on: 2010-07-21, 13:23:47 »

I'm not discounting that possibility either. There's a lot of gravel and uneven ground at the renfaires. I may yet decide I still want modern footwear, and just try to hide it well.
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Re: Ed's early 14th C. kit
« Reply #126 on: 2010-07-31, 13:49:25 »
The new stainless riveted chausses just got here. They're pretty nice! They're tailored reasonably well. I was surprised (except for Sir Wolf's note about it) that they do go all the way up into a belt loop. The height is even pretty decent for me with the "regular" size. Any taller and I'd have problems. They'd run a little shorter on someone with thicker legs than mine, so it looks like they'll work for a lot of fairly typical leg sizes.

It looks like they just barely can reach the tip of my toes, but there's excess around the sides of the foot. So I'll have to trim a little. I might just go and look for some comfortable plain black loafers, and lace the mail under the foot like the photo above. It'll be hidden from view for the most part, and have more of a modern sole than the period footwear (though I must say, the ankle boots from Revival Clothing are very comfortable. I'm just concerned about all the gravel, mulch, and uneven ground at faire with my modern soft feet :)).

They do have the same problem I ran into when I was making my other set. If they slide down at all (which happens while walking, but particularly if you sit, kneel, or prop your foot up on something high), instead of sliding back, the back edge digs into your thigh and you can't fully straighten back up. So I'll need a leather piece in here again, much like in the other fellow's photo above, except it won't protrude from the top since the mail continues up to the waist in this case.

Man, trying them on has turned my hands black. It's OK though if it blackens up my hosen, which I only use for armor anyway. Speaking of which, the hosen are pretty comfortable. It's a shame they went out of style.

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Re: Ed's early 14th C. kit
« Reply #127 on: 2010-08-30, 13:37:14 »

Well, the chausses worked out pretty well. It's still a bit of a fight to keep them in the right place. They do have some weight to them, of course. It's also extremely difficult to keep them from bunching up at the ankles, but that's true of any full-length chausses I think.

I left a few too many links on the sides of the feet, and really should have cut more off. As a temporary fix, I tied a lace across the top center of my foot to hold the sides up a little so I wasn't stepping on those edge links all day. Otherwise, it held up pretty well.

   

I zig-zagged some leather laces under the soles like the example photos a few posts back. It worked out pretty well!
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Re: Ed's early 14th C. kit
« Reply #128 on: 2010-08-30, 19:11:28 »
awesome. can u  use some of the cut off rings and attach them with mild steel butted rings to cover the toes?

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Re: Ed's early 14th C. kit
« Reply #129 on: 2010-08-30, 19:18:03 »
Well, they're pretty well ruined, so probably not.
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Re: Ed's early 14th C. kit
« Reply #130 on: 2010-08-31, 13:23:45 »
well when ever you decide to visit we'll work on the toes hehehe i have some black mild steel rings we can use to bridge the gap there ;)

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Re: Ed's early 14th C. kit
« Reply #131 on: 2010-08-31, 15:21:46 »
I think you should add a toe spike! This way you could do a forward kick as well as a backward kick with your deadly sharpened spurs thereby making you TWICE as dangerous!  :D
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Re: Ed's early 14th C. kit
« Reply #132 on: 2010-08-31, 15:25:36 »

Ooohh... front and rear spurs! Yes, it would be quite deadly. :)

Heh, I found another new use for the spurs this weekend... tucking the laces under them so they don't catch on things.
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Re: Ed's early 14th C. kit
« Reply #133 on: 2010-08-31, 15:27:31 »
well when ever you decide to visit we'll work on the toes hehehe i have some black mild steel rings we can use to bridge the gap there ;)

You know, I might actually still have the pieces I cut out of the voiders. That might work. Hmmm...
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Re: Ed's early 14th C. kit
« Reply #134 on: 2010-08-31, 18:53:43 »
awesome!