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Charles de Blois Pourpoint
Sir James A:
Since yours is almost done, are you taking orders soon? ;)
Very curious to know how it feels when done, with the rest of the harness on. I did the same 4-hole points for the legs on mine, maybe I'm doing something wrong.
Ian:
--- Quote from: James Anderson III on 2013-05-24, 22:47:58 ---Since yours is almost done, are you taking orders soon? ;)
Very curious to know how it feels when done, with the rest of the harness on. I did the same 4-hole points for the legs on mine, maybe I'm doing something wrong.
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What do you mean? What's wrong with yours?
B. Patricius:
Not to interrupt Sir James question, I just wanted to say your pourpoint looks great! and wanted to add an additional question for you Sir Ian, if you don't mind.
How many layers of padding did you use? And about how thick is it? Because I'm working on my gambeson right now, the garment over my mail, that is sleeveless. It's over 1/4" thick with 100% cotton "Warm and Natural" batting. Basically, one layer of muslin, followed by two layers of the batting, followed by another layer of muslin. I can't seem to "see" the channels in it. It looks very flat. Either that, or I'm going nuts :o
Hopefully tomorrow I'll have a camera of some sorts, so if you'd like me to show you I can.
Sir James A:
--- Quote from: Ian on 2013-05-24, 22:49:42 ---
--- Quote from: James Anderson III on 2013-05-24, 22:47:58 ---Since yours is almost done, are you taking orders soon? ;)
Very curious to know how it feels when done, with the rest of the harness on. I did the same 4-hole points for the legs on mine, maybe I'm doing something wrong.
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What do you mean? What's wrong with yours?
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Nothing really "wrong", except I prefer the pourpoint instead of just the gambeson. It seems to move more fluidly being separate pieces. It's odd, as I do my arming coat the same way, but it's unpadded and has a much shorter hemline - and I don't have any trouble with it like that (pointed inside).
There's two big differences: yours is sized to you, and mine's off the shelf; and yours is properly spiral laced, and mine is just cloth buttons. I'm quite interested to see how yours goes. :)
If yours works well, I might ditch the buttons and spiral lace mine, and see if that helps.
Ian:
--- Quote from: B. Patricius on 2013-05-24, 22:54:28 ---Not to interrupt Sir James question, I just wanted to say your pourpoint looks great! and wanted to add an additional question for you Sir Ian, if you don't mind.
How many layers of padding did you use? And about how thick is it? Because I'm working on my gambeson right now, the garment over my mail, that is sleeveless. It's over 1/4" thick with 100% cotton "Warm and Natural" batting. Basically, one layer of muslin, followed by two layers of the batting, followed by another layer of muslin. I can't seem to "see" the channels in it. It looks very flat. Either that, or I'm going nuts :o
Hopefully tomorrow I'll have a camera of some sorts, so if you'd like me to show you I can.
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My previous aketons are too padded, and I found it to be unnecessary. The only reason in my opinion padding still exists with the style harness I wear is the cushion the maille haubergeon a little bit. By Agincourt, the nobility had no padding at all and just wore maille voiders / skirts. I wish it were so for the last quarter of the 14th century as well, but it's not... but I digress :)
This garment is only 2 layers of cotton batting. Enough to keep the maille comfortable, but not so much that it's restrictive. Tons of padding is not required because I everything will be covered with plate as well, with the one big exception being my back, but I don't believe a couple extra layers of padding would prevent a well aimed powerful thrust from penetrating through to my vitals anyway. A knight should have his household men-at-arms fighting at his side, and if I'm getting stabbed in the back, either they hate me, or they're all dead, so I didn't see a need to pad up the back.
--- Quote from: James Anderson III on 2013-05-24, 22:57:00 ---Nothing really "wrong", except I prefer the pourpoint instead of just the gambeson. It seems to move more fluidly being separate pieces. It's odd, as I do my arming coat the same way, but it's unpadded and has a much shorter hemline - and I don't have any trouble with it like that (pointed inside).
There's two big differences: yours is sized to you, and mine's off the shelf; and yours is properly spiral laced, and mine is just cloth buttons. I'm quite interested to see how yours goes. :)
If yours works well, I might ditch the buttons and spiral lace mine, and see if that helps.
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Is it still transferring weight to your shoulders? If that's the case it's 100% in the fitting of the gambeson in your waist/hips. The spiral lacing and very tight tailoring is why I'm able to comfortably support the legs in this fashion. If I tried to do it with my button up off-the-peg revival gambeson it would be very restrictive with legs hanging from it. If it doesn't tightly girdle the waist and hips it will not support weight until it reaches the shoulders. If I get fatter, it will not lace closed, it fits that closely. It will still work as intended, but there would be a gap, but that's better than the alternative of it ever being too big.
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