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Re: Late 14th C Heraldic Surcoat
« Reply #15 on: 2012-05-17, 02:53:02 »
Very nice!  It's funny, I've been kicking around doing appliques in felt for my surcoat, but wasn't sure about the "periodness" of it.  Since your stuff is always spot on, looks like I need to grab some felt!
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Re: Late 14th C Heraldic Surcoat
« Reply #16 on: 2012-05-17, 03:14:22 »
Thank you, but be forewarned, I cannot vouch for the accuracy of appliqued felt. I'm really just guessing.  It was that or paint, and I didn't want to ruin my wife's efforts with a bad paint job by me.  I know felted wool was around, however, it's use on heraldic surcoats is purely a guess on my part.
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Re: Late 14th C Heraldic Surcoat
« Reply #17 on: 2012-05-17, 11:55:46 »
Silk appliques are period, but I have no idea about felt. (with the usual caveat that silk was super-expensive at the time)
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Re: Late 14th C Heraldic Surcoat
« Reply #18 on: 2012-05-17, 13:43:53 »
i have a feeling if they were not silk they were wool. linen color tends to run when wet and unravel when sewn. Felt would have meant wool felt. cotton would not have been used in Europe yet. I believe it was found in the Med. area as curtains.
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Re: Late 14th C Heraldic Surcoat
« Reply #19 on: 2012-05-17, 13:48:46 »
Quote from: Sir Edward on 2012-05-17, 11:55:46
Silk appliques are period, but I have no idea about felt. (with the usual caveat that silk was super-expensive at the time)

And like linen not always colorfast!  ;)
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Re: Late 14th C Heraldic Surcoat
« Reply #20 on: 2012-05-17, 14:31:25 »
I think wool or silk would be more period accurate but then again, linen is the caveat when it comes to historical garments.
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Re: Late 14th C Heraldic Surcoat
« Reply #21 on: 2012-05-17, 14:36:56 »
I keep going back to the idea that the surcoats were made of silk as well, but can't remember where I read that.
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Re: Late 14th C Heraldic Surcoat
« Reply #22 on: 2012-05-17, 15:32:17 »

Silk, wool, and linen are all appropriate. The problem with silk is it's less durable, and was ridiculously expensive. An entire surcoat entirely made of it would have been more expensive than the armor in all likelihood (perhaps considerably so). Only a very wealthy knight would do that. Smaller appliques would be more affordable, but still expensive.
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Re: Late 14th C Heraldic Surcoat
« Reply #23 on: 2012-05-17, 15:33:48 »
Ok...that makes sense to me...I'm definitely not a wealthy knight.  Not in persona or in real.  LOL

But not leather, right?
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Re: Late 14th C Heraldic Surcoat
« Reply #24 on: 2012-05-17, 15:36:58 »

Right, I don't think there's much evidence of leather being used for surcoats.
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Re: Late 14th C Heraldic Surcoat
« Reply #25 on: 2012-05-17, 18:29:11 »
Leather surcoates  :o  No way, I say go with linen or wool for a surcoat. 
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Re: Late 14th C Heraldic Surcoat
« Reply #26 on: 2012-05-17, 20:02:41 »
If anything, spare yourself the heat. Do not wear a leather surcoat!
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Re: Late 14th C Heraldic Surcoat
« Reply #27 on: 2012-05-18, 14:59:34 »
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Re: Late 14th C Heraldic Surcoat
« Reply #28 on: 2012-05-18, 15:45:56 »
Awwww!!!  They look really cool, but probably aren't.  lol

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Re: Late 14th C Heraldic Surcoat
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