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Re: Covering your face is illegal
« Reply #15 on: 2012-02-23, 18:06:33 »
You're going to have a go at the burkha wearers?  That should be interesting.
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Re: Covering your face is illegal
« Reply #16 on: 2012-02-23, 18:57:10 »
You're going to have a go at the burkha wearers?  That should be interesting.

Yeah, I think it's fascinating that that is exactly what may point it out as unconstitutional. :)
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Re: Covering your face is illegal
« Reply #17 on: 2012-02-23, 21:28:46 »
Sir William, you just wait until you hear about home defence. If I know a knight such as you coorectly, you will love WV after you learn about the castle law  :)
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Re: Covering your face is illegal
« Reply #18 on: 2012-02-24, 15:30:12 »
Oh yea, I know...the Castle doctrine should be standard in EVERY state.  The states that have ruled against it, are just sitting ducks if you ask me.  I'm fine with the State having overarching responsibility for the safety of its citizens but to take away their right to defend themselves is not just unconstitutional, it is criminal, in my mind.

They might as well dub them 'Lemming States' and have done with it.
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Re: Covering your face is illegal
« Reply #19 on: 2012-02-24, 16:45:31 »

IMHO, taking away someone's means of self defense absolutely is criminal, unless they can guarantee your safety for you (which of course they can't).

VA currently has a castle-law going through the process, but from what I hear it lacks teeth. Still, a step in the right direction.
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Re: Covering your face is illegal
« Reply #20 on: 2012-02-24, 18:23:25 »
Let us hope they adopt it wholeheartedly, then maybe the idiots in MD might follow suit.  I'm starting to feel like we may eventually have to protect ourselves from the police as well (as if that climate isn't already here).
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Re: Covering your face is illegal
« Reply #21 on: 2012-02-25, 03:58:49 »
Come on in guys! Come to WV! You get to brandish your weapons in public (even w/o a peacetie), protect your homes and selves, and even your families! Heck, next thing you know we'll be able to legally own the Berkeley Springs castle if we storm and hold it for few days!   ;D
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Re: Covering your face is illegal
« Reply #22 on: 2012-02-25, 05:19:45 »

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Heck, next thing you know we'll be able to legally own the Berkeley Springs castle if we storm and hold it for few days!
   

I'll pack a bag!
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Re: Covering your face is illegal
« Reply #23 on: 2012-02-25, 14:27:16 »
i'll start cutting trees to make the siege weapons

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Re: Covering your face is illegal
« Reply #24 on: 2012-02-25, 18:30:36 »
I'll borrow the Faire's cannon.

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Re: Covering your face is illegal
« Reply #25 on: 2012-02-25, 18:55:36 »
I was talking about this with my dad last night, and got confused. I said class 1 felony and class 6 felony, and he said class 6 is a "lower" felony. I thought it was felony, and not misdemeanor, so most of what I thought would be useful info for us was not. However, he did say something which I had not thought of; wearing a burka shouldn't, in theory, be excluded by this. Federal law of religious freedom allows them to wear it, and Virginia would likely lose if it came to a real court case. Of course, there's the time, money, and energy to file and pursue a case if that did happen. The one guy got his driver's license done with a spaghetti strainer on his head, as freedom of religion and his "church of the flying spaghetti monster" headgear couldn't be removed. Maybe what we need to do is create a religion based around swords and armor, and our helmets are "articles of faith"?
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Re: Covering your face is illegal
« Reply #26 on: 2012-02-25, 21:44:21 »
Maybe what we need to do is create a religion based around swords and armor, and our helmets are "articles of faith"?

Easy enough for those of us doing crusader orders. Members of these orders were monks, thus the armor and helmets could be considered vestments.

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Re: Covering your face is illegal
« Reply #27 on: 2012-02-26, 01:08:06 »
except its against the law in MD to carry anything anywhere longer than 3.5 inches.




























glad they dont check my pants HAH!

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Re: Covering your face is illegal
« Reply #28 on: 2012-02-26, 03:44:17 »
Thank God for going Military Oders! How about we just paint (or get in brass) crosses on our helms. Boom. Instant articles of the Christian faith!






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