"Do not be tricked into thinking that there are no crocodiles just because the water is still."
                -- Malaysian Proverb

Author Topic: Time for a gorget!  (Read 26330 times)

Sir Brian

  • Knight of the Order
  • Forum Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 4,735
  • Felix uxor beatam vitam - Happy Wife Happy Life
    • Order of the Marshal
Time for a gorget!
« on: 2011-01-12, 15:43:10 »
I took a pretty hard thrust to my throat last Sunday and the bib on my mask isn’t really padded enough for that. The guy apologized for not asking if I had a gorget or not but it did make it very obvious to me that I need to add a gorget to my equipment.  :-\

I like this guy’s simple dog collar style gorget and think I’ll try making one nearly as nice as what he offers for a bit cheaper price. I made a temporary one out of some scrap tin and leather that should suffice although it won’t win any blue ribbons for looks!  :D
http://skaldic.com/neck-gorget.htm
"Chivalry our Strength, Brotherhood our sword"
Vert, on a Chief wavy Argent a Rose Sable,
a Gryphon Segreant Or

[img width=100 height=100]
<a href="http://s221.photobucket.com/user/Tah908/media/LP_Medals_zpsq7zzdvve.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i221.photobucket.

Sir Edward

  • Forum Admin
  • Commander of the Order
  • Forum Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 9,340
  • Verum et Honorem.
    • ed.toton.org
Re: Time for a gorget!
« Reply #1 on: 2011-01-12, 16:12:29 »

Yeah, that does look like it has pretty good coverage. The one I have doesn't come up high enough, I think, but is a lot better than nothing. I have this one:

http://revival.us/brigandinegorget.aspx

Man, sorry you took a hard hit. Ouch!
Sir Ed T. Toton III
Knight Commander, Order of the Marshal

( Personal Site | My Facebook )

Sir Brian

  • Knight of the Order
  • Forum Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 4,735
  • Felix uxor beatam vitam - Happy Wife Happy Life
    • Order of the Marshal
Re: Time for a gorget!
« Reply #2 on: 2011-01-12, 16:21:33 »
I've always liked the look of theirs but they would be too small for my bull neck...which is 19" with the collar of my gambeson.  :-\
"Chivalry our Strength, Brotherhood our sword"
Vert, on a Chief wavy Argent a Rose Sable,
a Gryphon Segreant Or

[img width=100 height=100]
<a href="http://s221.photobucket.com/user/Tah908/media/LP_Medals_zpsq7zzdvve.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i221.photobucket.

Sir Wolf

  • He Who is Not to be Named
  • Knight of the Order
  • Forum Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 5,389
  • i have too many hats
    • man e faces
Re: Time for a gorget!
« Reply #3 on: 2011-01-12, 17:45:05 »
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=AB0093&name=15th+Century+Leather+Gorget

or see if allan can make you something more to your detailed neck size

Sir Andrew

  • Squire of the Order
  • Forum Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 67
Re: Time for a gorget!
« Reply #4 on: 2011-01-13, 11:13:12 »
You might want to consider something that protects up underneath the chin as well. It's pretty much a sure bet that shots have a way of deflecting up into the underside of your chin. Throat protection is something I don't mess around with.....

Sir James A

  • Weapons & Armor addict
  • Knight of the Order
  • Forum Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 6,043
Re: Time for a gorget!
« Reply #5 on: 2011-01-13, 15:45:47 »
Was that during WMA or SCA practice? The one in your avatar looks like a good gorget, though I'm guessing there's a reason it isn't an option.
Knight, Order of the Marshal
Sable, a chevron between three lions statant Argent

Sir Brian

  • Knight of the Order
  • Forum Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 4,735
  • Felix uxor beatam vitam - Happy Wife Happy Life
    • Order of the Marshal
Re: Time for a gorget!
« Reply #6 on: 2011-01-13, 19:46:28 »
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=AB0093&name=15th+Century+Leather+Gorget
or see if allan can make you something more to your detailed neck size

I guess I could but I hope to engage Allan with some custom reworking of my splinted cuisses.  ;)


You might want to consider something that protects up underneath the chin as well. It's pretty much a sure bet that shots have a way of deflecting up into the underside of your chin. Throat protection is something I don't mess around with.....
Good point (pardon the pun! :D). My fencing mask does cover the underside of my chin pretty well though.

Was that during WMA or SCA practice? The one in your avatar looks like a good gorget, though I'm guessing there's a reason it isn't an option.

I need it for WMA practice. My armor gorget is a fine gorget but is actually a little too big and bulky for that kind of usage. It does a great job of supporting part of the weight of my great helm though!  ;)
"Chivalry our Strength, Brotherhood our sword"
Vert, on a Chief wavy Argent a Rose Sable,
a Gryphon Segreant Or

[img width=100 height=100]
<a href="http://s221.photobucket.com/user/Tah908/media/LP_Medals_zpsq7zzdvve.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i221.photobucket.

Das Bill

  • Global Moderator
  • Forum Acolyte
  • ******
  • Posts: 624
Re: Time for a gorget!
« Reply #7 on: 2011-01-13, 21:06:35 »
You might want to consider something that protects up underneath the chin as well. It's pretty much a sure bet that shots have a way of deflecting up into the underside of your chin. Throat protection is something I don't mess around with.....

The tricky issue here is that this can impede movement quite a bit. Most things that give that much coverage tend to also prevent standing in guards such as Ochs or high vom Tag.

David Teague made me an *awesome* mail standard that has a trauma plate underneath. I love it. Basically, he took a rivetted mail standard from IceFalcon, put it on thick padding, and sewed a hardened plate in between the mail and the padding where the throat is. The result is something that protects the throat incredibly well, fans out to protects the collar bones pretty well, and is flexible enough that I can lift my arms straight up without even really noticing that it is on. The downside is that he made this as a favor (though I paid for the mail), and he doesn't make this commercially. Still, if you ever want to consider a do-it-yourself project, this one would be a great one.
"A despondent heart will always be defeated, regardless of skill." -Master Sigmund Ringeck

Sir Rodney

  • Knight of the Order
  • Forum Acolyte
  • ****
  • Posts: 1,118
  • Inquit Corvus
    • The Mercenary Company Nevermore
Re: Time for a gorget!
« Reply #8 on: 2011-01-13, 23:46:13 »
Quote from: Das Bill
David Teague made me an *awesome* mail standard that has a trauma plate underneath. I love it. Basically, he took a rivetted mail standard from IceFalcon, put it on thick padding, and sewed a hardened plate in between the mail and the padding where the throat is.

David illustrated this gorget very well here.  Using Bill's gift gorget as a guide, I made a prototype (with butted / blackened mail) that stands up to SCA combat very well.  Between this gorget and an aventail hanging off my bascinet I have no coverage issues, movement restriction or fear of my Adam’s apple being pushed back into my spine.
"Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say Ni at will to old ladies. There is a pestilence upon this land, nothing is sacred. Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress in this period in history." - Roger the Shrubber

Sir Brian

  • Knight of the Order
  • Forum Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 4,735
  • Felix uxor beatam vitam - Happy Wife Happy Life
    • Order of the Marshal
Re: Time for a gorget!
« Reply #9 on: 2011-01-14, 02:25:50 »
Wow! Those look great and seem very doable! Thanks for posting the links with all the great reference pictures! :)
"Chivalry our Strength, Brotherhood our sword"
Vert, on a Chief wavy Argent a Rose Sable,
a Gryphon Segreant Or

[img width=100 height=100]
<a href="http://s221.photobucket.com/user/Tah908/media/LP_Medals_zpsq7zzdvve.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i221.photobucket.

Sir Wolf

  • He Who is Not to be Named
  • Knight of the Order
  • Forum Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 5,389
  • i have too many hats
    • man e faces
Re: Time for a gorget!
« Reply #10 on: 2011-01-14, 02:46:00 »
let me know if u need some aluminum piece or something. i have some old signs somewheres.

Sir Brian

  • Knight of the Order
  • Forum Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 4,735
  • Felix uxor beatam vitam - Happy Wife Happy Life
    • Order of the Marshal
Re: Time for a gorget!
« Reply #11 on: 2011-01-14, 02:53:26 »
Thanks Sir Wolf...but I've got a few pieces of various metals laying around!  ;)
"Chivalry our Strength, Brotherhood our sword"
Vert, on a Chief wavy Argent a Rose Sable,
a Gryphon Segreant Or

[img width=100 height=100]
<a href="http://s221.photobucket.com/user/Tah908/media/LP_Medals_zpsq7zzdvve.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i221.photobucket.

Sir Wolf

  • He Who is Not to be Named
  • Knight of the Order
  • Forum Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 5,389
  • i have too many hats
    • man e faces
Re: Time for a gorget!
« Reply #12 on: 2011-01-14, 14:28:43 »
ok np man. just offered to help ya out :) hehe

Das Bill

  • Global Moderator
  • Forum Acolyte
  • ******
  • Posts: 624
Re: Time for a gorget!
« Reply #13 on: 2011-01-21, 07:54:05 »
David illustrated this gorget very well here

Oh yeah, I'd forgotten he'd posted pics of that!

Quote
Using Bill's gift gorget as a guide, I made a prototype (with butted / blackened mail) that stands up to SCA combat very well.  Between this gorget and an aventail hanging off my bascinet I have no coverage issues, movement restriction or fear of my Adam’s apple being pushed back into my spine.

Very cool! It's a really excellent design. I've never worn a gorget that I've been totally happy with, but this standard is fantastic, both for armoured and unarmoured bouting.
"A despondent heart will always be defeated, regardless of skill." -Master Sigmund Ringeck

Thorsteinn

  • Squire of the Order
  • Forum Veteran
  • ***
  • Posts: 2,470
Re: Time for a gorget!
« Reply #14 on: 2011-02-18, 00:13:47 »
I use an old Regulus gorget in the SCA and with HEMA. Seems to do me well, though when I buy a aventail for my helm I will be going to a dog collar gorget.

If decide to no go with Torvaldr (who does very good work) then consider the ones that Windrose Armoury's uses.

-Ivan
Fall down seven, get up eight.