Historical Accuracy in Maille- are Bingo Wings strictly a modern issue?

[Sir William]

Hmm...that depends; according to this effigy, BW armor may have been on the field after all:

http://effigiesandbrasses.com/846/3313/

See?  I should've held onto my bell-bottom armed original hauberk.  lol

I'm kidding, I figured that was artistic license moreso than an eye for accuracy.  Am I wrong in that assumption?

[Sir William]

And here's another one, German, Otto von Orlamunde, 1340.

http://effigiesandbrasses.com/3193/3138/

Looks like his sleeve blouses to allow for his brig-style vambrace.  I'd think that'd be a pain to have flapping about in a fight.  Thoughts, anyone?

[Ian]

I've seen a decent chunk of representative artwork that suggests bingo-wings on the forearms are used specifically with forearm armor intentionally worn as the inner layer so the maille is intended to be draped over the rigid protection.  Same with upper arm bingo-wings.  When the rerebrace connects to the doublet, and the maille is bloused over the rerebrace the maille needs bingo-wings to drape properly.  But if maille is the inner-most defense, then it obviously needs to be fitted.    So bingo-wings are historical, IF the maille is being draped over another piece of armor.  I'm sure there are counter-examples, but that's a good rule of thumb.

[Sir William]

That's worth keeping in mind- but I'm reasonably sure I won't go that route.  I didn't care for that look.  I remember you mentioning that in some Italian armors, they'd wear a mail piece instead of pauldrons/spaulders?

[Ian]

Italy ca. 1400





ca. 1380

[Sir William]

Hm.  I actually don't mind the look- let me ask you, do you wear maille below the waist, other than the haubergeon?  That's actually what I really want to avoid.

[Sir Nate]

Good to know

[Ian]

Hm.  I actually don't mind the look- let me ask you, do you wear maille below the waist, other than the haubergeon?  That's actually what I really want to avoid.

The only maille I wear is my haubergeon.  If I ever get a full cuirass, I will convert my maille to something like this:



**edit**

I do wear a maille pisan on my neck and the aventail... but I meant waist level or below, it's just the haubergeon **

[Sir William]

Why?  To cut down on weight?  That's a 2 piecer, skirt and shirt right?  What do you wear to protect your nether regions?

[Ian]

Why?  To cut down on weight?  That's a 2 piecer, skirt and shirt right?  What do you wear to protect your nether regions?

It's both more comfortable and lighter.  The paunces (skirt of maille) is the only thing that protects the groin, no change from the haubergeon. 

[Sir James A]

Sir Ian covered the Italian armor already, which is the one I know of for the "floppy mail sleeve" style. I don't like citing a modern reference, but since it's Dr Tobias Capwell....



(I want that armor. So. Bad.)

[Sir William]

Dr. Capwell is a beast- I want his black harness!  First time I saw it I think I man-swooned.

[Thorsteinn]

Gods you guys are making me want to go 14th cen so bad. Maille, Klappavisor, Corazina's, Pembridge helm, & all the other sexiness.

[Sir Rodney]

Gods you guys are making me want to go 14th cen so bad. Maille, Klappavisor, Corazina's, Pembridge helm, & all the other sexiness.

Come to the dark side Thorsteinn.....

[Lord Dane]

Gods you guys are making me want to go 14th cen so bad. Maille, Klappavisor, Corazina's, Pembridge helm, & all the other sexiness.

Come to the dark side Thorsteinn.....

Yes!! The Pembridge helm is calling to you.