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Term for cross on helm?
« on: 2014-07-15, 09:17:24 »
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A question has been asked on FB as to the name, if any of the cross slot on a helm as pictured.

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Re: Term for cross on helm?
« Reply #1 on: 2014-07-15, 13:00:57 »
I don't think there's an official term for it. People often refer to the various holes on the face plate as "breath holes" or something similar, so I would just say that it's one that happens to be cross shaped.

You'll notice that some helms have holes evenly on both sides, and others put most of them on the right cheek. The reason for the latter, is that the left cheek is the side that's more likely to take a punch from a lance.
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Re: Term for cross on helm?
« Reply #2 on: 2014-07-16, 15:49:08 »
Sir Edward covered it. I've not seen any specific name for it. In addition to the lance, earlier helms of the period when they still used shields would be more likely to be struck on the left side of the helmet (right handed single hand weapon), and would have less (or no) holes on some helms for that same reason.
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Re: Term for cross on helm?
« Reply #3 on: 2014-07-17, 04:25:27 »
As stated above, “breaths” is the only term I’m familiar with.

There are no breaths on the left side of my houndskull visor in my (very old) avatar picture, presumably for the reason that Sir Edward mentioned.  I was very blind to opponent’s shots originating from my lower left, thus I copied the hole pattern to the left side of my visor and drilled away!

My vision was much improved at the expense of lance safety which isn’t much of an issue since I don’t own a horse.   ;)
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Re: Term for cross on helm?
« Reply #4 on: 2014-07-17, 11:50:31 »
The whole breaths on one side thing was not just for lances.  In period men-at-arms were 'highly encouraged' (read all but forced) to fight right-handed.  You wouldn't want to be sinister after all, so you were taught to fight dexterous!  Dexter being the Latin for 'right' and sinister being the Latin for 'left.' 

It was important so that people wouldn't be in each other's way when fighting in a line.  Imagine a line of men with poleaxes or swords and everyone fighting with different handedness. It would be like a chaotic version of sitting close to someone at a crowded dinner table when the person immediately to your right is left-handed.  You'd keep interfering with each other's ability to fight effectively.  So not just lances, but most strikes in general were coming from the opponent's right and thus to your left.  So you had to decide if you wanted stronger protection on the left, or better breathing and vision.  It was a compromise.  There are quite a few examples of both styles of breaths, but there are no examples I can think of that only have holes on the left side.
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Re: Term for cross on helm?
« Reply #5 on: 2014-07-17, 22:57:00 »
I don't think there's an official term for it. People often refer to the various holes on the face plate as "breath holes" or something similar, so I would just say that it's one that happens to be cross shaped.

You'll notice that some helms have holes evenly on both sides, and others put most of them on the right cheek. The reason for the latter, is that the left cheek is the side that's more likely to take a punch from a lance.


For the helm in this picture. Wouldn't that cross ventilation shape prove to be more risky when taking a lance to the face? Since it's 4 corners that don't connect. Which risks the chance of a lance pushing the metal out of the way and going into the persons face? Where with multiple holes there is still less chance of the metal opening? Although there is a greater chance of splinters going through the helm.
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Re: Term for cross on helm?
« Reply #6 on: 2014-07-17, 23:11:14 »
For the helm in this picture. Wouldn't that cross ventilation shape prove to be more risky when taking a lance to the face? Since it's 4 corners that don't connect. Which risks the chance of a lance pushing the metal out of the way and going into the persons face? Where with multiple holes there is still less chance of the metal opening? Although there is a greater chance of splinters going through the helm.

Yes, if a lance happened to hit the bulls eye it would probably split right open.  You've basically pre-scored the faceplate  to peel back like petals allowing the lance to skewer your jaw.  But hey, you'll look cool before you die :)  In that case, I would say the most appropriate name for that cross is 'target.'  ;D
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Re: Term for cross on helm?
« Reply #7 on: 2014-07-28, 21:25:58 »
I asked my esteemed armorer Jeffrey Hildebrandt this question and he said he's never heard of any special name for them.