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Chivalry and Etiquette
Don Jorge:
Personally I am okay with striving for the romantic ideal...even if I cannot achieve it I will try my best and hopefully leave the world a better place for it...
Sir Nate:
I think many follow chivalrous lives, but they mostly take parts of it in which the believe in. Chivalry is what you make it out to be, at least following out of the rules of chivalry or guidelines per say.
There are many here if not most or even all that live out most of the chivalric ideals (again, if not All the ideals)
Sir Patrick:
--- Quote from: Belemrys on 2014-02-20, 22:21:19 ---Personally I am okay with striving for the romantic ideal...even if I cannot achieve it I will try my best and hopefully leave the world a better place for it...
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It is the ideal because it is unattainable. That is why I strive for it. The journey can never be done, so I can never stop trying to be better.
SirNathanQ:
Chivalry, and Etiquette are different things in my mind, if related.
Chivalry is the value sets expected of one who seeks to be "Knightly", or chivalrous.
Etiquette is behaving socially gracefully in whatever context you happen to be.
Yes, they are related, since acting properly in public is a lot easier if your value set espouses being a decent human being.
But chivalry in many ways will and has, stayed the same. The core tenets, stripped of the social context (the realm of etiquette) still exist. Etiquette changes rapidly and drastically. The etiquette of the 19th century is as inappropriate today as the etiquette of the 15th century in the 19th century.
Etiquette varies region to region. The details (and in some cases, major parts) of etiquette can change just as fast as the cultural groups you interact with. Good luck using American socialization on Germans, and have fun getting a beat down in Saudi Arabia by propping your feet up on a desk and revealing the bottom of your shoes.
Stay modern, chivalrous, cultured and classy gentlemen.
Sir Brian:
--- Quote from: scott2978 on 2014-02-20, 18:47:39 ---
What all this means to me is that if I want to feel like I am living up to my own ideals of behavior, only I can be the judge of my success. What chivalry means to everyone is irrelevant - it only matters what it means to me, because in the end whether I've lived up to "everyones" expectations won't be important. But it can be said there is one thing analagous with my medieval idealized knight persona and myself: my conscience must be my guide, and the same is true of every other man. I cannot control what others do, or what others think of me. I can only control my own actions, and attempt to live up to my own standards, and be content with myself or not based on that.
And perhaps most ironically of all, in all likelihood that is exactly what those unchivalrous, murdering, virtue paragon real knights of medieval times were thinking to themselves all those centuries ago.
As for myself, what I do is I usually look for opportunities to live up to my standards when it will really matter. I ask myself "Am I doing the right thing?" And if I fail that test, "What will I be able to live with tomorrow?"
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Well stated and IMHO the essence of manhood.
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