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Re: how to make a coat of plates
« Reply #1 on: 2013-06-27, 01:01:40 »
oooh  ;D

that'll be coming in handy over the next few months!
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Re: how to make a coat of plates
« Reply #2 on: 2013-06-27, 01:04:57 »
ya man, i still have never made one. i got an older version's material part made, but never finished it

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Re: how to make a coat of plates
« Reply #3 on: 2013-06-27, 15:53:25 »
Having just gone through taking out the "speed/jiffy" pop rivets from a coat of plates and replacing them all with regular rivets ... please never build any armor with pop rivets. Ever. I also need to do the same with some splint armor I got a while back.

Regular rivets are easy and take marginally longer, but work far better. If you use pop rivets on medieval armor, may the armor gods smite you with 101 armor bites in sensitive areas. :)
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Re: how to make a coat of plates
« Reply #4 on: 2013-06-27, 17:11:11 »
I`ve just finished making mine to that same patten, using plates from my old one. The only difference is I don`t have the shoulder plates as I use spaulders.  I have used Blue leather with navy blue velvet over the front. I stitched the edges with yellow waxed linen thread that really pops. I found that a very simple form of rivet stand in is copper roofing nails, and they really look amazing with the blue velvet.

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Re: how to make a coat of plates
« Reply #5 on: 2013-06-27, 22:45:16 »
Regular rivets are easy and take marginally longer, but work far better. If you use pop rivets on medieval armor, may the armor gods smite you with 101 armor bites in sensitive areas. :)

LMAO :D that got me laughing pretty hard
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Re: how to make a coat of plates
« Reply #6 on: 2013-06-28, 11:54:18 »
If you can afford a copy of the Wisby book, all the drawings ( its standard practice to have a team of people doing exact scale drawing of all finds on an archeological dig both in situe and after removal. I did this on a dig on an 11th-16th century cicstertian monastery dig in England in the 80's ) are to scale and the scale is listed at the bottom of each page of drawings. Once you know the scale, a trip to Kinkos ( in the case of the gaugtlets ) and having them blow the pages up to full size and run off on large sheets of cardstock yields original plate sized templates including hole locations at which point you're 50-70% of the way there depending on what your building from the book. If working from the various coats of plates, used its fairly easy to calculate the conversion of the scale, so a ruler and knowing the scale conversion allows you to simply draw up the coat of plates plates from the originals by actually measureing each draw plate, and doing the scale conversion on the measurement. We did it with both Wisby gauntlets and one of the Wisby COP's. The scale listed in the drawing and a ruler will help you determine how much the plates overlapped as well. Don't know if this is helpfull but its how we did it.

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Re: how to make a coat of plates
« Reply #8 on: 2013-06-28, 19:07:15 »
Allan, that's genius. I think I saw the Wisby book briefly at a convention with Wade Allen.
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Re: how to make a coat of plates
« Reply #9 on: 2013-06-28, 19:21:52 »
hey i have that book...

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Re: how to make a coat of plates
« Reply #10 on: 2013-06-28, 22:59:00 »
If you can afford a copy of the Wisby book, all the drawings ( its standard practice to have a team of people doing exact scale drawing of all finds on an archeological dig both in situe and after removal. I did this on a dig on an 11th-16th century cicstertian monastery dig in England in the 80's ) are to scale and the scale is listed at the bottom of each page of drawings. Once you know the scale, a trip to Kinkos ( in the case of the gaugtlets ) and having them blow the pages up to full size and run off on large sheets of cardstock yields original plate sized templates including hole locations at which point you're 50-70% of the way there depending on what your building from the book. If working from the various coats of plates, used its fairly easy to calculate the conversion of the scale, so a ruler and knowing the scale conversion allows you to simply draw up the coat of plates plates from the originals by actually measureing each draw plate, and doing the scale conversion on the measurement. We did it with both Wisby gauntlets and one of the Wisby COP's. The scale listed in the drawing and a ruler will help you determine how much the plates overlapped as well. Don't know if this is helpfull but its how we did it.

any ISBN on that book?  or did I miss it above?!  Man oh man, I do love archaeological journals, dissertations, etc etc :D I'm such "that nerd" lol

I always love having precedence in my kit, I can't help it.

Thanks for posting this Allan
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Re: how to make a coat of plates
« Reply #11 on: 2013-06-28, 23:06:05 »
Which 'precedence' do you like in your kits?? 'Presidents' Obama, Reagan, Ford, Kennedy?? There's so many to choose from in history. :) yuck yuck yuck.
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Re: how to make a coat of plates
« Reply #12 on: 2013-06-28, 23:50:02 »
Which 'precedence' do you like in your kits?? 'Presidents' Obama, Reagan, Ford, Kennedy?? There's so many to choose from in history. :) yuck yuck yuck.

precĀ·eĀ·dence 
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The condition of being considered more important than someone or something else; priority in rank.
The order to be observed by people of different rank, according to an acknowledged or legally determined system.
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precedency - priority - preference - antecedence

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