Yeah, I remember you bought an in stock one from there Sir Brian and said it was good but a bit too thick to wear under maille how many layers did that one have? I think I may go with 3 layers as thats what the Revival Clothing gambeson has. I don't really have the spare money to spend 340 bucks on a gambeson as I am buying that shield, but a 100 dollar one shouldn't be too big a deal. Maybe I should sell the shield I currently have after gluing the canvas back on.