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Joshua's armor - was Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« on: 2011-05-27, 01:37:23 »
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I am gonna need a squire to put on my armor, thank god I have friends who like to come with me to ren faires, they can be my squires. Can only imagine how difficult it is to put on plate by yourself.

Yes, it can be a huge pain with the pointers and plates that are impossible to put on. 

I have been reading this thread and am missing 14th Century armor.  I remember when I was planning my 14th Century Kit, I had to decide either plate or Coat of Plates.

But now, i will admit that the 14th Century Virus once infected me, and is now coming bakc to haunt and iiritate me to change the full harness from 15th Century Italian now to 14th Century Spanish (the Castilian Civil War during the the Hundred Years War)!

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I was planning to wear a 14th Century harness until I found out that it wouldn't work (for the knight for hire service) but I would buy one for other purposes.

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What aspect of the 14th century harness isn't to your liking? The 14th had a wide range and represented the evolution from all-mail to mostly-plate.

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I second Sir Edward's question about the 14th Cent and what you think doesn't fit. While Gothic is among the most decorative and generally accepted as most elegant, it is also among the most expensive.

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I second Sir Edward's question about the 14th Cent and what you think doesn't fit. While Gothic is among the most decorative and generally accepted as most elegant, it is also among the most expensive.

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* the cuirass may require assistance on either one, but both are often single chest/back units without faulds or tassets (esp early-mid 14th),
* the arm harness would be pointed to the arming clothes on both,
* the 14th C gorget / bevor are often similar in strapping,
* the upper legs would be pointed to arming clothes the same,
* the greaves & sabatons are the same,
* gauntlets are of course easy either way

Now these are coming back to haunt and pressure me into going back to awesome 14th Century Armor lol!

But this time with done research and careful considerations, I know exactly where to look for a good full Harness.

It is this one

http://www.bestarmour.com/armour_6.html

(KA 6.2)

For the Full Kit: Merc Tailor's with the helmet from Armor and Castings (Klappvisor Helmet)

Here is the basic idea

http://armourandcastings.com/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=54

http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=49

http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=124

http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=111

http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=39

http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=117

http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=32

http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=145

http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=26&products_id=116

http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=26&products_id=75

I will go to Wasson, he does have awesome 1380's Armor and an Agincourt Full Harness which looks amazing!

http://www.wassonartistry.com/armor.php?w=agincourt

http://www.wassonartistry.com/armor.php?w=1380senglish

What are your ideas, criticism and suggestion brethren?
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Joshua's armor - was Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #1 on: 2011-05-27, 01:54:38 »
Something I forgot!

The Full Harness I originally intended was for Middle to Late 14th Century up to early 15th Century.

I apologize for the apparent confusion.
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Joshua's armor - was Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #2 on: 2011-05-27, 02:18:25 »

It is this one

http://www.bestarmour.com/armour_6.html

this is a late 15th century kit not 14th at all

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Joshua's armor - was Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #3 on: 2011-05-27, 02:45:56 »

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Joshua's armor - was Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #4 on: 2011-05-27, 07:38:19 »
and this is why it is good to armour up with a good page! or other knights around you.

ugg what a pain in the butt it was at the "Steed" last year at MDRF. both putting it on and taking it off. my princess didn't know what to do nor was strong enough to help.. ehehehe

Hey no complaints from you good Sir! You at least HAVE a page waiting in the wings! Whereas I on the other hand do not even have a page in the workshop...I do think my daughter is going to make me wait until I'm nearly sixty! By that time I'll have to wear that "knitted" maille!  :D
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Joshua's armor - was Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #5 on: 2011-05-27, 10:16:01 »
Sir Wolf: It id the second harness below the first on the page.



Also, thank you for the Merc Tailor recommendations as well, this is most helpful in creating a Full 14th Century Kit, I do have several of the items you have recommended me and will make certain adjustments.  Still, much appreciated.

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Joshua's armor - was Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #6 on: 2011-05-27, 12:29:33 »
Sir Wolf: It id the second harness below the first on the page.



right this is not a 14thc kit which is what i thought you were talking about. this is a way late 15th with a sudo 14thc helmet.

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« Reply #7 on: 2011-05-27, 13:18:35 »
He has an eye for what looks good though....and who is to say that you wouldn't have seen such a getup? 
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Joshua's armor - was Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #8 on: 2011-05-27, 14:14:54 »
Darn it!  The 15th Century still haunts me.  Thanks you Sir Wolf.

Brethren: It is my intention to bring several ideas on what full kits or harnesses to choose and where to order from.  However, I have created my persona as a Maximilian Knight.  That is the reason I am looking for ideas for early or late 16th Century kits.  There are few to no armories that make full 16th century harnesses. 

Another thing is that I will ask my teachers at.  SIGMA what kit style would be suitable.  In addition, I will inquire Watson about the quote for the late 15th century italian harness. 

I am only bringing these ideas so that I will invest my money into a well made kit or harness that is accurate and functional.  It is better to make a careful investment than waste money on garbage.
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Joshua's armor - was Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #9 on: 2011-05-27, 14:26:21 »
That is an excellent way of looking at it.
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Re: Joshua's armor - was Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #10 on: 2011-05-27, 15:00:25 »
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Admin note: I split this topic out to its own thread since it's not part of the discussion of my kit.

That's one of the great things about historical armor. There's so much to choose from. :)

For your historical combat, you can work with pretty much any of the armor suggested so far, in terms of time period. Longsword was going out of style in the 16th, but was actively trained in the 15th. Otherwise I don't think it matters too much.

The 15th century armor can be a real eye-opener. In our class last night, we did some light bouting with just thrusts and pommel strikes, and trying to go for actual weaknesses in the armor. Tom Leoni commented that he was just amazed at how hard it was, since my armor had such great coverage. He could really only aim for my palms.

So if you do any combat where the rules for target areas are "as worn", then 15th C armor with voiders, faulds, etc, will work really well. :)
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Re: Joshua's armor - was Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #11 on: 2011-05-27, 20:06:06 »
Ah Yes, my business with your discussion is irrelevant.  How rude of me to barge in. ><
I apologize for this and should have posted a new post instead.  (lesson learned)

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For your historical combat, you can work with pretty much any of the armor suggested so far, in terms of time period. Longsword was going out of style in the 16th, but was actively trained in the 15th. Otherwise I don't think it matters too much.

The 15th century armor can be a real eye-opener. In our class last night, we did some light bouting with just thrusts and pommel strikes, and trying to go for actual weaknesses in the armor. Tom Leoni commented that he was just amazed at how hard it was, since my armor had such great coverage. He could really only aim for my palms.

So if you do any combat where the rules for target areas are "as worn", then 15th C armor with voiders, faulds, etc, will work really well.

Thanks, I did see the facebook photo gallery.  I really liked your Gothic Kit (which come to think of it, what you had was nearly what I wanted with my gothic kit prototype lol!)

It's very funny that 15th Century armor (both German and Italian) seem to like me, especially with the harness pic I posted. 

I will make inquires as to which kit style would fit in my budget.  I still am going for 15th Century Italian Full Harness or Full Kit.

Now that my time period is chosen, the problem of what style to choose from is what I'm currently facing.

Which one would look good?

http://www.wassonartistry.com/armor.php?w=late15thcent

http://mysite.verizon.net/tulkaz/15th_Century_Italian_in_Motion.html

http://mysite.verizon.net/tulkaz/15th_Century_Italian_Full_Front2.html

http://mysite.verizon.net/tulkaz/15th__Century_Italian_Full_Front.html

http://www.bestarmour.com/armour_4.html
(KA 4.1)

http://www.anshelmarms.com/harnesses.html
(Milanese Harness)

http://www.wassonartistry.com/armor.php?w=milanese

In terms of a Full Kit, that I have experimented earlier and I do have a good idea
(just wanted to see what you Brethren think about it)

Helmet Options/Choices

http://www.therionarms.com/reenact/therionarms_c1029.html

http://www.therionarms.com/reenact/therionarms_c903.html

http://www.therionarms.com/reenact/therionarms_c1076.html

http://www.bestarmour.com/armet_1.html
(AA 1.2)

http://www.bestarmour.com/barbute_1.html
(BB 1.2 A)

http://www.anshelmarms.com/helmets.html
(Great Bascinet Helmet)

http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=50

http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=55

http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=132

http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=102

http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=41

http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=26&products_id=46

http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=26&products_id=74
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Re: Joshua's armor - was Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #12 on: 2011-06-01, 13:39:16 »
Thread Update:  I have just got back from SIGMA at Staten Island and this is the result.

I have checked up with my teachers and they said the BestArmor.com is a good armory along with with a recommendation for Merc Tailor's.

Having thought about what would be good financially and hearing on one of my teachers being a 14th Century Harness person.  And upon reflection of this thread, I have therefore decided to go with the 14th Century Harness look.

This time, the helmet will be a Visored Sugarloaf Helmet with the rest of the armor pieces 14th Century style.

In terms of other harnesses and kits, I will be switching back and forth between all steel and brigandine/COP, which settles the dilemma right there.

But never the less, I will follow Sir Wolf's Advice on the Merc Tailor prototype a nd later on I will post the rest of the Harnesses and Kit prototypes.
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Re: Joshua's armor - was Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #13 on: 2011-06-01, 14:05:44 »

Cool, narrowing the choices down a bit will definitely help. I look forward to seeing what you end up with. :)
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Re: Joshua's armor - was Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #14 on: 2011-06-01, 14:47:48 »
As do we all, Sir Joshua!
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