I forgot-- the other main reason I was asking is that I need to do the lining and strapping for my mail standard. I want to do something similar to Bill's standard, though I might not bother with the "trauma plate" for the throat. For actual fighting, I'll probably just use the bevor and not need the standard, or the bevor will be over the standard. But I need to get the darned thing wearable. I've had it sitting here for a couple of years.