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Re: Ed's early 14th C. kit
« Reply #135 on: 2010-09-09, 19:55:45 »
Interesting thread on myArmoury about mail coifs, including integrated hauberk+coifs, coifs worn over and under the hauberk, and coifs with square mantles:

http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=19424

Out of that discussion, it makes me want to just call this kit my "1300 kit" and stop trying to pin it to the late 13th or early 14th. :) Also, if I make a new surcoat, I might try to design it with the idea of wearing it over the coif. Maybe I can work in some trim or something? That would be cool.
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Re: Ed's c.1300 kit
« Reply #136 on: 2010-09-13, 17:33:36 »
How's that Windlass shield working for you...could you perhaps take a picture of the backside so I can see the strapping?  I have a feeling that mine's not quite right but my shieldmaker's very amenable to adjustments.  Thanks in advance.

By the by, I like what you've done with the chausses...they look like they fit well and are probably relatively comfortable.  I'm with you...I use modern materials under my period wear as well, for ease of use.
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Re: Ed's c.1300 kit
« Reply #137 on: 2010-09-13, 19:19:05 »
I believe this is the one Sir Edward purchased.
http://kultofathena.com/images/801204_1_l.jpg
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Re: Ed's c.1300 kit
« Reply #138 on: 2010-09-13, 19:33:12 »
How's that Windlass shield working for you...could you perhaps take a picture of the backside so I can see the strapping?  I have a feeling that mine's not quite right but my shieldmaker's very amenable to adjustments.  Thanks in advance.

By the by, I like what you've done with the chausses...they look like they fit well and are probably relatively comfortable.  I'm with you...I use modern materials under my period wear as well, for ease of use.

Yep, the chausses are pretty comfortable, for the most part. To hold them up, I have the leather straps and the belt-loop that's built into the mail go up to a belt (though the latter doesn't reach as high so I just tie it to the belt with some leather lace). To minimize how much they drift downward on me, the belt has to be TIGHT. If I used it with pants, I'd leave maybe 3 or 4 holes unused, but I tighten it down to the last one for the chausses. This puts a lot of the weight right on the corners of the hips, but the mail conforms to the leg and distributes most of the rest of it pretty well. By the end of the faire day, I'm ready to relieve the pressure on my hips, but it doesn't hurt.

I believe this is the one Sir Edward purchased.
http://kultofathena.com/images/801204_1_l.jpg

Mine is much taller and more pointy at the bottom, but that's exactly how the straps came. The shoulder strap was a fixed length like that, so what I did was cut most of it off, and take a cheap leather belt, cut it in half, and rivet the two pieces to the remaining pieces from the original strap that I left on the shield. That way I have an adjustable belt+buckle going over my shoulder.

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Re: Ed's c.1300 kit
« Reply #139 on: 2010-09-14, 03:11:04 »


new picture i was presented with. don't have all of the details on it.

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Re: Ed's c.1300 kit
« Reply #140 on: 2010-10-07, 19:47:41 »
Well, it's time to rethink the footwear that I wear under the mail chausses. I went with the Revival Clothing medieval ankle boots (looks like they're discontinued now), and they didn't make it through an entire season. When I got home last week, the sole popped off of one of them. The other is pealing too. I'm glad they made it through the day-- the sole came off as a stepped out of the car at home.

I'm tempted to go back to Sandlar's booth at MDRF, since they make an ankle-high boot. The advantage of this is that it will be durable and waterproof. The downside is that it won't look historical, but then it'll mostly be hidden under the foot of the mail anyway.
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Re: Ed's c.1300 kit
« Reply #141 on: 2010-10-07, 20:15:47 »
ug are u kidding me? that sucks. they weren't made as a proper turn shoe but still that blows

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Re: Ed's c.1300 kit
« Reply #142 on: 2010-10-08, 13:48:45 »
That guy standing to the right...a bit of a dandy, isn't he?  ;)

Sir Edward, sorry to hear about the footwear but if you're anything like me, you're somewhat excited at the prospect of acquiring new footwear!  Ok, maybe I don't get worked up like I used to but anything new to the kit is well...its cool, very cool.
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Re: Ed's c.1300 kit
« Reply #143 on: 2012-04-09, 16:32:25 »
Well, it's time to rethink the footwear that I wear under the mail chausses. I went with the Revival Clothing medieval ankle boots (looks like they're discontinued now), and they didn't make it through an entire season. When I got home last week, the sole popped off of one of them. The other is pealing too. I'm glad they made it through the day-- the sole came off as a stepped out of the car at home.

I'm tempted to go back to Sandlar's booth at MDRF, since they make an ankle-high boot. The advantage of this is that it will be durable and waterproof. The downside is that it won't look historical, but then it'll mostly be hidden under the foot of the mail anyway.

Well, it's funny how this worked out. I bought those Sandlar ankle-high boots this past season, and ended up grinding out a small channel on the sole to accommodate the strap for the spurs. They work, but I have to remember to wear thick socks to keep them really tight on my feet, or else I may get some nasty blisters (which happened once). They were kinda expensive too.

So get this-- I ordered a set of ankle boots from Viking Leathercrafts. Nice and affordable, and while I haven't worn them yet (just tried one on to make sure the size was right), I can tell they're more well made than the Revival ones. I expect these to work really well. Now I'm wishing I saved my money on those Sandlars. These are much more historical looking and should be perfectly comfortable.

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Re: Ed's c.1300 kit
« Reply #144 on: 2012-04-09, 17:34:52 »
So get this-- I ordered a set of ankle boots from Viking Leathercrafts. Nice and affordable, and while I haven't worn them yet (just tried one on to make sure the size was right), I can tell they're more well made than the Revival ones. I expect these to work really well. Now I'm wishing I saved my money on those Sandlars. These are much more historical looking and should be perfectly comfortable.
Lol! That is so freaking cool because I just got my pair for my 14th C soft kit last Thursday and they are excellent and very affordable! :)
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Re: Ed's c.1300 kit
« Reply #145 on: 2012-04-09, 17:45:02 »

I went with black, with buckles, and with the lugged soles. They look like they'll do the job pretty well!
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Re: Ed's c.1300 kit
« Reply #146 on: 2012-04-09, 17:54:46 »
I decided not to get the lugged soles since I don't intend to wear my spurs with them but they will be nice and comfortable for the demo. :)
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Re: Ed's c.1300 kit
« Reply #147 on: 2012-04-09, 21:43:05 »
So get this-- I ordered a set of ankle boots from Viking Leathercrafts. Nice and affordable, and while I haven't worn them yet (just tried one on to make sure the size was right), I can tell they're more well made than the Revival ones. I expect these to work really well. Now I'm wishing I saved my money on those Sandlars. These are much more historical looking and should be perfectly comfortable.
Lol! That is so freaking cool because I just got my pair for my 14th C soft kit last Thursday and they are excellent and very affordable! :)
These are the ones I got.

I've got 2 pairs of those, one in brown and one in black.  The brown pair are for use with my sabs and work great.  I punched holes in them for the toe points.  The only issue is the lacing they come with are too thick and the mega-knots they form when tied can interfere with sabs or greaves, so I redommend replacing them with something thinner, or just punch some more holes and make the shoe side-laced instead.
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Re: Ed's c.1300 kit
« Reply #148 on: 2012-04-10, 15:39:54 »
Viking leather is considering running some sort of sale via the AA...he's asking for suggestions.  I'm pretty sure I replied 'shoes'.  :)
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Re: Ed's c.1300 kit
« Reply #149 on: 2012-04-10, 22:45:15 »
awesome, always wanted a pair