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Re: Hacking up a sword
« Reply #45 on: 2010-09-29, 19:27:40 »
Just thought I'd post a note on this. This year at MDRF, one of the security guys has started giving me a hard time about the fake sword, along the lines of "we frown on that, just so you know for future reference", but never actually stops me. Someone called security on me once so far this season as well, and 4 of them came running over. I showed them it was fake, and they were satisfied and walked off.

Anyway, the belt I'm using is the one that Silvanus had linked to a while back. It's working out really well for a relatively inexpensive belt. When it comes to sword suspensions, they're usually really expensive, or horrendously simplistic, or badly designed. It's hard to get one that's reasonably priced and does the right thing.

Here's the link:

http://www.realarmorofgod.com/store/html/Products/Historical-Clothing/Medieval-Men/12th-Century-Sword-Belt-806.html

And a photo from this season:



I know it's hard to see the belt in the photo, but you can see how it holds the sword when I have the buckles tightened up to hold it fairly snug and high up. In period, double-wrap suspensions served the purpose of keeping the sword in place without it swinging all over while you're walking. This belt does that. The only thing I did to it to improve it was to tie the two scabbard loops together so they don't separate (and thus dump the scabbard out the front onto the ground if you bend forward). But I imagine they could be tightened down onto specific parts of the scabbard if you wanted them a little further apart too, but I haven't experimented with that.

Sometimes I just wish I used a slightly shorter scabbard. :)
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Re: Hacking up a sword
« Reply #46 on: 2010-09-29, 19:52:29 »
I was thinking of epoxying one of my old beaters into the scabbard- its no longer usable as a cutter, because of the tang being turned to accept screw-on pommels (and we all know how much those suck), the hilt components are basically shot and the blade's notched all to hell so I was gonna epoxy the whole damn thing just for MDRF.  Bill said as much and I'd toyed with the idea for a while, just couldn't bring myself to do it.  Now I think I can...just need epoxy and a rigid scabbard I guess?  I like your belt Sir Edward...wouldn't you know THAT site is blocked too.

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Re: Hacking up a sword
« Reply #47 on: 2010-09-29, 20:06:39 »

Yep, just a rigid scabbard, and a way to rough up the blade a little so the epoxy can grab it.

In my photo above, the blue belt you see is the knightly belt that you can get from places such as MRL. I wear it over the black double-wrap belt for the looks and to hold the pouches and things separately.
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Re: Hacking up a sword
« Reply #48 on: 2010-09-29, 20:30:40 »
Rigid scabbard's gonna be a problem...hm.  Might have to turn my Brom sword into my Ren Faire piece.  That's got such a clunky scabbard though, its really unattractive.
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Re: Hacking up a sword
« Reply #49 on: 2010-10-19, 18:08:43 »

I'm tempted to rig up another prop sword that's a little shorter in the scabbard. The one I'm using usually hangs a little lower than the photo I posted a few messages back, and ends up hitting the ground a lot, or catching the lace ties in the chausses on the back of my ankles.

But if I'm going to do this, I'd be tempted to grab a prettier looking SLO to hack up. We'll see if I get around to it. I have an entire year to think about it now, since I won't be able to do this before the closing weekend this year at MDRF (and any other faire I go to in between will allow my real swords).
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Re: Hacking up a sword
« Reply #50 on: 2010-10-20, 14:08:57 »
I've never understood why most other renn fests allow you to bring weapons but the md renn fest does not. I understand if you're not wearing a kit, but if it goes with the kit, and, as far as I know, no one has been killed by attendees with weapons, I don't know why they prohibit them. I'm surprised they didn't ask you to take the "sword" to your car for the rest of the day.

Seems a bit like driving a modified car. You know you're not doing anything wrong, yet you know people are looking at you and thinking you're "up to no good" because of it. Sir Edward, do you think it was worth the extra harassment to wear the prop than to go without it and not be bothered?
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Re: Hacking up a sword
« Reply #51 on: 2010-10-20, 14:32:50 »
Yes, I think so. It's only one security guy who has made it his personal quest to keep telling us "for future reference" that we shouldn't bring in scabbards (because you might hit a kid in the face). And then I had security called on me once, but the security guys were very polite and were unconcerned once they looked at it. The rest of the time, no one cares.

As for MD being the only one that seems to disallow real swords altogether, it's a strange combination of things. They still have sword vendors on site, so it seems a bit hypocritical to me. However, the faire is owned by a family of lawyers, in a predominantly left-leaning state that is afraid of weapons in general. MDRF is also the one we see the most stupid drunks at. And I'm not sure of the accuracy of the stories floating around, but supposedly many years ago, they had a situation where an armed patron pulled a dagger on the queen, plus some cases of drunks swinging sharps at each other in the parking lot.

They used to only disallow patrons from carrying, but it was OK for vendors. Then some vendor did something stupid with pulling a weapon on another employee, and then that ended. Now only cast can carry.

When I was a teen, I used to sneak a sword in with me (back then I only attended once a year, so it wasn't a big organized effort). It's easy to get past security with cloaks and the like. I gave that up a long time ago, when I became more intent on honorably obeying the rules. :) However, we do still from time to time see people get in with sharps, without security stopping them. We've seen a few folks brag to us about that (so they obviously knew it was against the rules).

Knowing this faire, we'll eventually get banned from bringing the fakes in, because technically their rules already don't allow for it (website says no costume weapons), and eventually they'll probably decide they can't trust their security guys to tell the difference, so they'll ban them all. But until that happens... until they explicitly say "no" to me, I think it's a valuable costume piece that completes the look, and I really haven't been hassled that much.



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Re: Hacking up a sword
« Reply #52 on: 2010-10-20, 18:57:17 »
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Knowing this faire, we'll eventually get banned from bringing the fakes in, because technically their rules already don't allow for it (website says no costume weapons), and eventually they'll probably decide they can't trust their security guys to tell the difference, so they'll ban them all. But until that happens... until they explicitly say "no" to me, I think it's a valuable costume piece that completes the look, and I really haven't been hassled that much.

I think if/when that day happens I will probably stop wearing armor to MDRF if I hadn't stopped going previously.  :-\
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Re: Hacking up a sword
« Reply #53 on: 2010-10-20, 18:59:32 »
I think if/when that day happens I will probably stop wearing armor to MDRF if I hadn't stopped going previously.  :-\

Hopefully it won't come to that. I suspect what it'll take is if someone passes off a sharp as a fake, and then hurts someone. But the whole mentality of that area seems to be "ban first, ask questions later", so we'll see.
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Re: Hacking up a sword
« Reply #54 on: 2010-10-21, 11:00:53 »
ya it just sucks all the way around. i can never bring myself to hack up a sword no matter how cheap hheheh i'm just too cheap ;) i just carry the empty scabbard and no one has said the difference to me.

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Re: Hacking up a sword
« Reply #55 on: 2010-10-21, 14:37:37 »
Like Sir Wolf I bear the empty scabbard but I definitely hate the look.  I haven't been able to get online before today otherwise I'd be sporting a KoA offering nailed into the scabbard!  Hell...I still might do that to an old Windlass beater I got in a leather scabbard...figure, if its nailed at three points it should be pretty much in there, no?  lol
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Re: Hacking up a sword
« Reply #56 on: 2010-10-21, 14:42:06 »
well prob no, its still a sword. so the lawyers could still get you hehehe

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Re: Hacking up a sword
« Reply #57 on: 2010-10-21, 15:16:50 »
Perhaps, but an UNUSEABLE sword...unless I took the entire kit and kaboodle and started whaling away with it.  LOL

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Re: Hacking up a sword
« Reply #58 on: 2010-10-21, 16:40:11 »
I could ask my cousin for a legal opinion if anyone is interested.  He would at least get a kick out of the question.

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Re: Hacking up a sword
« Reply #59 on: 2010-10-21, 17:41:25 »
hahaha maryland law says u can't carry anything longer than 3 inches if im not mistaken. being the faire is privately owned on rented property i don't think the owners fool around with anything, legal or not just to error on the side of caution