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Late 14th C Heraldic Surcoat
« on: 2012-04-13, 23:27:40 »
Can anyone point me to a decent pattern for a late 14th century heraldic surcoat that side-laces? 

Here's an image of David Teague wearing his, and that's what I'm after reproducing (the blue surcoat):



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Re: Late 14th C Heraldic Surcoat
« Reply #2 on: 2012-04-14, 00:11:40 »
Thank you sir!
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Re: Late 14th C Heraldic Surcoat
« Reply #3 on: 2012-04-14, 00:16:38 »
Are you going to make one yourself or is it for a tailor? I can give you the contact info of the seamstress who made mine:



(same one I'm wearing in my avatar)
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Re: Late 14th C Heraldic Surcoat
« Reply #4 on: 2012-04-14, 01:04:31 »
My wife will be making it
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Re: Late 14th C Heraldic Surcoat
« Reply #5 on: 2012-04-16, 20:47:25 »
I have a red one; think they're called jupons at some point, that's what mine is.  Dagged front in the castle style, or whatever you call it; I got mine from the Morgana Collection, an ebaY retailer who makes all of the gear he sells.  Or so he says.  lol  Good, sturdy stuff though.
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Re: Late 14th C Heraldic Surcoat
« Reply #6 on: 2012-04-16, 22:04:34 »
My wife will be making it

In that case, I second the link Rauttskegg posted - assuming you post pics when it's done. :)
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Re: Late 14th C Heraldic Surcoat
« Reply #7 on: 2012-05-13, 23:00:07 »
So, we decided to wing it on the pattern.  We bought linen and I stood there in gambeson / maille / breastplate to get the proportions right.

I decided to go with felt for the charges and we'll sew them to the base garment.  We may add some detailing to the charges using sewn on black thread, but we'll see.  Aside from sewing on the devices, we need to add lacing eyelets on the side to give it the form fitted look of the late 14th century.  Since there were no such thing as metal eyelets / grommets like a modern garment would use for lacing, I'm undecided if I want to try and do this the hand-stitched way, which is a giant pain in the butt, or just use metal eyelets.  But this is where we're at so far:



Hahaha, and I realize now that I laid the crossed swords on upside down... good thing my wife didn't sew them on yet! :)
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Re: Late 14th C Heraldic Surcoat
« Reply #8 on: 2012-05-14, 01:46:34 »
haahhahha awesome

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Re: Late 14th C Heraldic Surcoat
« Reply #9 on: 2012-05-14, 02:44:58 »
It's looking fantastic! Yes, definitely correct the orientation and then sew it together. :)

Personally I'd just go with the metal grommets. It won't be that visible... but then, I have a higher tolerance for cheating than a lot of other folks do. Another option is to do a hybrid, and hand-stitch thread over the grommets to hide them. It doesn't save much work, but it does make a nice strong hole.
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Re: Late 14th C Heraldic Surcoat
« Reply #10 on: 2012-05-14, 13:32:51 »
I had the largest metal eyelets on my surcoat and they were a PITA. They kept coming apart so I had the seamstress that originally made it stitch around the holes so they are like super-sized button holes and it not only looks more period but is holding up very well. You can just make them out in the attached picture which I also tried to highlight and enlarge. Hope it helps!  :)
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Re: Late 14th C Heraldic Surcoat
« Reply #11 on: 2012-05-14, 14:16:50 »
Very nice Surcoat Sir Ian!  I like it!
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Re: Late 14th C Heraldic Surcoat
« Reply #12 on: 2012-05-14, 16:47:16 »
Looking good Sir Ian.
I would definitely sew around the brass lace holes to cover them up.
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Re: Late 14th C Heraldic Surcoat
« Reply #13 on: 2012-05-15, 15:46:43 »
Nicely done, kudos to your wife, Sir Ian.
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Re: Late 14th C Heraldic Surcoat
« Reply #14 on: 2012-05-15, 17:51:42 »
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Nicely done, kudos to your wife, Sir Ian.

Indeed  :D
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