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Re: Albion Crecy
« Reply #15 on: 2012-03-13, 05:58:43 »
Thats nice! I want to get an Albion with the aged finish? Any links to where you got it? Now I see why everyone goes after Albions... Better than my current sword which looks bland compared to it.

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Re: Albion Crecy
« Reply #16 on: 2012-03-13, 11:36:57 »
Thats nice! I want to get an Albion with the aged finish? Any links to where you got it? Now I see why everyone goes after Albions... Better than my current sword which looks bland compared to it.

I ordered directly from Albion over the phone.  You can order through Christian Fletcher as well if you want him to specifically customize your sword, or you can obsessively check KoA like I do and see if they ever get any in stock (but theirs are not customizable).  Other than that you're looking at previously owned Albions.  People really go for Albions for the feel and construction as well though, not just looks. Albion gets this right unlike a lot of other makers. Less expensive swords usually feel overbuilt or dead in the hand because of things like having no distal taper or the subtle geometry a historic sword would have had. This being my first Albion, it did not disappoint.  I'm sure all the other guys here can attest to the quality of an Albion.
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Re: Albion Crecy
« Reply #17 on: 2012-03-13, 13:17:09 »
Oh heck yeah. I'm a total Albion snob now. Between them and A&A, I'd have a hard time convincing myself to get a sword from anyone else now. It's funny, just about 5 or so years ago, I was saying I couldn't bring myself to spend $800+ on a sword. Now, it's the other way around.

There are other ways to get very good swords as well, including the custom sword makers out there, as well as getting a Christian Fletcher sword with an Angus Trim blade. But to me, Albion is pretty much the top maker of production line swords.

Albion's sword designs are based on careful study of museum originals. Except of course their Museum Line, all of their swords are their own design, but are meant to be representative examples of those types of swords from history, with an eye toward the modern market. That is, there were some really awful swords made back in the day as well as very good ones, so they're replicating the better characteristics from better examples.

They capture the proper internal structure, as well as blade geometry with all its subtleties like distal taper, cross section, fuller thickness, point thickness, etc. This means they feel good in the hand, move well, and cut well. The one thing where they "cheat" a little in the final product is that they harden the blade a little more than was typical back in the day.

While they use modern construction methods (most notably a CNC machine to mill out the blanks, as well as hot-peening with a blowtorch), it's in the spirit of historical construction. Period steel wasn't nearly as good, and had to be worked and folded to get the right carbon distribution. They can skip this step since modern steel is already correct. From there, the blanks were ground into blades historically, so the fact that they grind theirs with large belt grinders is actually not far off from what our ancestors did.

Check out this video done by "How it's Made" on the Discovery channel, filmed at Albion:


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Re: Albion Crecy
« Reply #18 on: 2012-03-13, 14:44:04 »
I feel that if I say anything else about Albion craftsmanship to Ulrich, I will truly be beating a long-expired mount.  Suffice it to say, they are as attractive as they are functional- and Albion is one of two smithing operations that can lay claim to that, not counting custom smiths like John Lundemo, Jake Powning, Patrick Barta and their like.  The other being, imho, Arms & Armor.

I have always like the Crecy's clean and simple lines...I've gone away from longswords for a while now but if I ever get back 'into' them, definitely will pick up a Crecy at some point.
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Re: Albion Crecy
« Reply #19 on: 2012-03-13, 15:22:29 »

The Crecy really has a lot going for it. It's one of their more affordable longswords, for one thing. It's also a very good "jack of all trades, master of none". It performs well in the cut and the thrust, but isn't completely optimized for either. It's not too big, not too small. A very "middle of the road" sword, and very controllable.

One of these days I'll get a scabbard for mine. But I think I'll do the Talhoffer next. :)
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« Reply #20 on: 2012-03-13, 16:31:34 »
I keep saying my next commission will be a full-on custom, thinking Lundemo.  Not sure yet if I want a singlehander or a longsword.  Suppose I should go w/a longsword since the one I did have, I let go sometime last year in a trade for a katana.
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Re: Albion Crecy
« Reply #21 on: 2012-03-13, 17:35:51 »
That's a neat video, thanks for posting that Ed.
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Re: Albion Crecy
« Reply #22 on: 2012-03-16, 00:08:03 »
Christian is back at work on the scabbard!  Here's a couple new shots!  Looks like it's about done.

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Belt added (I elected to go with a two-point suspension because it's plausible for late 14th century and I don't have a plaque belt to hang a locket/hook style suspension from).  Well, that and no one seems to actually know what type of suspension was in use at the time.
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Re: Albion Crecy
« Reply #23 on: 2012-03-16, 03:58:44 »

Looking good!

Yeah, there's a bunch of art showing the two-pronged tie sort of belts in the 12th and 13th, and we know about complex suspensions in the 15th and 16th.. but you're right, I don't think I've seen much about the 14th.

I'm thinking about going with a similar suspension on my next one. I want to get the Talhoffer into a scabbard so I can use that one with 15th century gear.
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Re: Albion Crecy
« Reply #24 on: 2012-03-16, 08:04:29 »
That's a beauty! :)
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Re: Albion Crecy
« Reply #25 on: 2012-03-16, 13:15:35 »
I see Mr. Fletcher is up to his usual high standards...that's a great looking scabbard.
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Re: Albion Crecy
« Reply #26 on: 2012-03-16, 13:39:27 »

That's his "Seneschal" suspension, right? It looks like it's almost a 3-point suspension, in that it has 3 vertical straps connection in two places. I wish he'd show pictures of both sides so I could see how it attaches.
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« Reply #27 on: 2012-03-16, 13:57:41 »
Huh, didn't catch that when I first looked at it.  Funny how the mind works- what I saw was the two-strap suspension a la the VA/Atrim offerings for their Signature line.  Looks fairly standard though...you loop the 'holder' belt around the waist belt and the two ends attach to the buckled straps on the scabbard.  If you look closely, you can see how it just wraps around the belt.  Or did I misunderstand you, Sir Edward?
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Re: Albion Crecy
« Reply #28 on: 2012-03-16, 14:46:18 »
There are a lot of 3-point suspensions that have the belt "tail" buckle down as the third point after passing through the main buckle at the front, but as a third separate attachment point to the scabbard itself. Here, it looks the belt tail and one of the other suspension straps attach to the same point on the scabbard, and yet it looks like the normal scabbard "knot", so I'm just wondering how it was tied together there. :)

I like it a lot, I'm thinking of going with the same one for the Talhoffer.
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Re: Albion Crecy
« Reply #29 on: 2012-03-16, 16:18:33 »
That's my favorite style. It lets you adjust not only where the sword sits, but the angle it sits at, too. I had a heck of a time at VARF with my double-wrap belt since it doesn't let me adjust the angle and the sword constantly wants to point downward, and the tip hits the ground like that. Nice scabbard, Ian, congratulations.
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