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Main => The Courtyard => Topic started by: Thorsteinn on 2013-12-19, 18:17:10
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#1) Protect thy crotch!
#2) Do not deflect shots into thy crotch.
Walerich vs Ivan. Spring coronet 2012. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4RCIWw9xq0#ws)
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Honestly...that thrusting was dangerous. My kingdom and my group for fighter practice try to never thrust...it just has too much potential to go wrong!
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Honestly...that thrusting was dangerous. My kingdom and my group for fighter practice try to never thrust...it just has too much potential to go wrong!
So you promote bad technique?
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Not utilizing a technique isn't promoting bad technique...if we were to say, "dont practice and use it in a tournament" then it would be another issue. In general I have been taught to not try thrusting...especially not when on your knees and eventually you are going to hit someone in the crotch.
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It depends a lot on the group. The crotch is a real target, in terms of the martial arts, so it's a question on whether the group is considering it a valid target (with people wearing their cups) or not. Sometimes a thrust for the abdomen or thighs lands wrong too.
Having said that, I have no idea what the SCA standards are for this.
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No need, I have balls of steel. 12 gauge in fact.
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so, did he not count the shots?
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I have balls of steel. 12 gauge in fact. I have no need to "protect thy crotch"
I will not make a Duke Nukem joke. I will not make a Duke Nukem joke. I will not make a Duke Nukem joke. :-X
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I have balls of steel. 12 gauge in fact. I have no need to "protect thy crotch"
I will not make a Duke Nukem joke. I will not make a Duke Nukem joke. I will not make a Duke Nukem joke. :-X
Now that you've said that, I'm having to bite my tongue as well... Arg! ;)
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lol duke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thats what they called be in rumble fumble.
plus who needs kids.
"you dont"
I didnt grow up with duke nukem...
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Not utilizing a technique isn't promoting bad technique...if we were to say, "dont practice and use it in a tournament" then it would be another issue. In general I have been taught to not try thrusting...especially not when on your knees and eventually you are going to hit someone in the crotch.
Oh no, don't get into a fight with 13 year SCA fighter Thorsteinn. This will get ugly. If you all really want to know, I have been doing SCA for 0 years and 0 days and 0 hours and 0 minutes and 1 second amd a half, the best thing to do is wear an steel cup... With extra padding. Or if your like me you don't need one ;)
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So just some points via the OP:
I'm in the blue pants in the vid, the next Prince of Cynagua is my opponent.
Crotch strikes are allowed in the SCA and are kills, they aren't encouraged, but they are legal kills (thankfully).
Not thrusting is a highly regional thing. Out here in the West Kingdom it's very much allowed. The reason for it's rise over the past 25 years is due to the change from the old style q-tips to the low profile ones, especially with the recent change in the rules allowing tips to be 3/4" x width of Singlehanded sword with 3/8" progressive give. In other Kingdoms they do not allow thrusts to the side of the helm as kills (dunno why), and so thrusts are are not as used.
In the vid I was aiming for his belly, chin, or hips but the sword/gauntlet/vambrace locked up (I'm working to correct that) so I ended up almost hitting his balls more than once. I've noticed that, because the crotch is frowned upon as a target, folks rarely protect themselves for 6-8 in around the crotch. I get kills lots hitting those places (see below vid).
Belemrys: What I meant by bad technique was "If you don't know how to block a common shot, then you can get hit by said common shot". I've won more than one Tourney fight that way.
2011 May Coronet - Siobhan vs Ivan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gojSBD_euKc#ws)
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Speaking of: International SCA Tourney. Two very good fighters. Perfect thrust.
La Prova Dura 2008 Gemini and John (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY5IZRELM68#ws)
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Not utilizing a technique isn't promoting bad technique...if we were to say, "dont practice and use it in a tournament" then it would be another issue. In general I have been taught to not try thrusting...especially not when on your knees and eventually you are going to hit someone in the crotch.
That's part of why I think the SCA combat system is so far off from the historical sources. Thrusting is a MAJOR part of proper WMA/HEMA combat. You remove grappling, you remove striking at or below the knee ... and if you remove thrusting too? You're left with such a subset of valid techniques you can actually use that it resorts to creating modern techniques to take best advantage of the rule set of the game (like getting in close and wrap-shotting somebody's butt).
And that's totally fine if it's what you want to do. People in karate tournaments don't actively try to break each other's necks because it was historical. It's a modernization. I didn't feel like I was participating in historically based combat when I did SCA heavy. I also didn't feel like a samurai warrior when I took karate. Both were actually pretty fun, even though I didn't excel at either one.
Not utilizing a valid technique in a situation in which that valid technique SHOULD be used is, in my mind, promoting bad technique. I'm still completely blank on why not to thrust. Thrusting tips are on the weapons for a reason, right? Are you sure it wasn't "don't thrust at areas of inheritance" and not just a blanket "don't thrust at all"?
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I'm sorry but when thou got hit in the crotch I laughed. It was as if you died instantly. I actually felt the pain for a second.
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I'm sorry but when thou got hit in the crotch I laughed. It was as if you died instantly. I actually felt the pain for a second.
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Who got hit? In the 3 vids I posted no one got hit in the crotch. Walerich almost got hit by me but I pulled it. Do you mean the one where I fight my mom & win? I stabbed her in the lower right belly (right in the corner of the hip). It stuck like the gods own glue. :D
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I'm sorry but when thou got hit in the crotch I laughed. It was as if you died instantly. I actually felt the pain for a second.
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Who got hit? In the 3 vids I posted no one got hit in the crotch. Walerich almost got hit by me but I pulled it. Do you mean the one where I fight my mom & win? I stabbed her in the lower right belly (right in the corner of the hip). It stuck like the gods own glue. :D
In the first one? Where you said you had the blue pants on?