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Main => The Armoury => Topic started by: Sir Ulrich on 2012-07-14, 01:15:56
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Sir William here was kind enough to offer me this helm for 90 bucks, it arrived today and it's large enough to fit under padding unlike my kettle which is rather tight fitting. This will work well for a crusader kit mainly Knights Templar. Though I did find a similar one here http://www.ruestschmiede.de/rsxtco/product_info.php/info/p1146_Frueher-Topfhelm--ca--1210.html (http://www.ruestschmiede.de/rsxtco/product_info.php/info/p1146_Frueher-Topfhelm--ca--1210.html)
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Quite happy with it, now to get a nice linen coif to wear under it so I can wear the maille coif without it digging into me.
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Looking good! Have you tried it with the padding and maille coif yet? When you do, be sure to take some photos.
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I'll be trying that as soon as I can find a place that sells a nicely padded arming cap that isnt made out of foam. My GDFB one works but it doesnt have any padding on the forehead which is a problem.
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wow that looks awesome.
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Cool! I love that era.
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Looks good, congratulations
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Finally found a use for that old GDFB padded coif I had, made it into a liner and put it in the helm so the flat top of the helm doesn't irritate the top of my head. I can now wear it securely and comfortably.
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awesome! good job
the problem i have in making these helmets is the brim of the top, i can not get the edges right where they bend over.. one day
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Yeah I had trouble wearing it without a liner, it kept moving down and covering my eyes and hitting me in the nose. Thankfully I solved the problem and have my first full knightly helm. Hope the padded coif lining fits over a maille coif. If the ends of the maille dig into my head again I'm just gonna sell the coif I currently have and get the wedge riveted coif because wedge riveted maille on the inside isnt as pokey.
When I wore it with the coif I had to remove the liner because it made it too tight across my head. But it fits SOOO much better with the coif on, just need to add a TINY bit of a liner to it to make it slightly tighter and I'll be good to go.
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If the ends of the maille dig into my head again I'm just gonna sell the coif I currently have and get the wedge riveted coif because wedge riveted maille on the inside isnt as pokey.
Are you wearing the dome heads side on the inside or outside?
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A very fine helm Sir Ulrich.
I do like the crusader pot helm, so much so that I have 2 as can be seen on the photo`s here;
http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,1385.0.html (http://modernchivalry.org/forum/index.php/topic,1385.0.html)
But I must admit yours has such a much nicer shape to it.
G.
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how's come i can see the smile in the breathe holes? hehehehe awesome
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Very impressive Sir Ulrich, well done. I cannot wait to see your Kit completed, I believe it will be impressive.
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Thanks, I think it will look good with my templar surcoat which I need tailored. Before I know it I'll have a nice crusader kit. The helm is quite imposing looking to a lot of people which I sorta like. The vision isnt bad either, cept I cant really see whats below me due to the the faceplate. The muzzle on the helm allows for more room for breathing too which I like as well.
The thing is the inside of my maille the dome head rivets are quite sharp and not peened as nicely as my icefalcon maille is. Guess thats what I get for going after cheaper quality maille. Could always reverse it and wear it the other way out where the rivets are rounder and less pointy, but there is a patch of rust on the inside. Just need a source of where I can get some linen padding cause it's still sorta loose on my head with the maille. Maybe I just need one of those bands knights wore around their coifs though, if I knew where to get one I would get one.
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Sir Ulrich, I am happy you found your look. Not to be pessimistic but...the flat-top pot helmet looks very bulky, pertruding, & not proportionate to your head. Why did you not try a transitional flat-top crusader helmet instead?? It is smaller in size, almost same look for your aimed time-period (Crusader-era: 1100-1300), & might fit more comfortable.
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Well it's a size large and fits well over a coif, without the coif it looks bulky and whatnot but with it looks better. I have a rather large head (even my maille coif has trouble fitting on and off my head), If I went with a smaller size it probably wouldn't of fit over my maille. I dunno where to find any helms of that design other than GDFB stuff which is all made in 14 gauge and heavy as hell. Also not interested in buying SCA style armor because well, it's overly thick and not very practical for faires. Got any links for armor thats similar I'd be happy to see, but most armor sold here is SCA stuff which isn't exactly historical in appearance. Hard to find good living history quality stuff in america as theres not much of a market for it here.
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Well it's a size large and fits well over a coif, without the coif it looks bulky and whatnot but with it looks better. I have a rather large head (even my maille coif has trouble fitting on and off my head), If I went with a smaller size it probably wouldn't of fit over my maille. I dunno where to find any helms of that design other than GDFB stuff which is all made in 14 gauge and heavy as hell. Also not interested in buying SCA style armor because well, it's overly thick and not very practical for faires. Got any links for armor thats similar I'd be happy to see, but most armor sold here is SCA stuff which isn't exactly historical in appearance. Hard to find good living history quality stuff in america as theres not much of a market for it here.
Not in United States per se but Canada has a good market for ren-faire & quality armourers in the Quebec & Montreal areas. Might search there for the time-period quality stuff you seek that meets SCA standards.
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With an arming cap and coif it fits perfectly, much better than with my padded coif. Now that I finally properly baked my maille and it's not all oily I can finally use the arming cap properly. Still need to find a way to keep the maille OFF of my forehead though as it's rather uncomfortable being there and an arming cap does little by those means. I dont think the helms too bulky now that it fits perfectly, but I will admit the faceplate is a bit on the large side making it seem bigger than it actually is.
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With an arming cap and coif it fits perfectly, much better than with my padded coif. Now that I finally properly baked my maille and it's not all oily I can finally use the arming cap properly. Still need to find a way to keep the maille OFF of my forehead though as it's rather uncomfortable being there and an arming cap does little by those means. I dont think the helms too bulky now that it fits perfectly, but I will admit the faceplate is a bit on the large side making it seem bigger than it actually is.
For keeping the maille off your forehead....here's my method: Wrap a single or double-braided 1/4-1/2 inch colored chord from some place like JoAnn Fabrics, Michael's, etc. Take a look.
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what if you sewed a liner or a rim around the face opening? i have seen it done with thin leather. like an edging.
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I may just go with the headband idea though the best idea would be a padded coif. I got one but it still doesn't cover my forehead.
I could do that but it would take quite a bit of sewing and cleaning the maille would be a pain then as I'd have to detach that and then clean it. But I may just do it because I cant stand the feel of the maille against my bare skin, it hurts and irritates my rather soft skin.
I also would like to trim the avantail of the coif to make it square like many 13th century coifs not sure how to do that though as it's round and rather large. Should I just use wire snips to cut it to a square?
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Sir Ulrich, I am happy you found your look. Not to be pessimistic but...the flat-top pot helmet looks very bulky, pertruding, & not proportionate to your head. Why did you not try a transitional flat-top crusader helmet instead?? It is smaller in size, almost same look for your aimed time-period (Crusader-era: 1100-1300), & might fit more comfortable.
Period specific helms were larger - to accomodate the padding and maille that would've been worn underneath it. Also, Ulrich is a smaller, lighter knight than say, you or I, so it may look disproportionate but the fit is good and the protection it offers is of course tantamount to its looks.
I suspect that if he bulked up, it would look more 'fashionable' for him, but I'm thinking it'll look better when he's got his entire kit assembled and put on.
Ulrich, you linked the same helm as the one I sent you...looks like they ask quite a bit more for it. I lucked out- that was the one I got from Scott Adkins over at Historical Enterprises when he was vetting some old inventory...a nice helm but it didn't suit me. Glad you like it, man!
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I also would like to trim the avantail of the coif to make it square like many 13th century coifs not sure how to do that though as it's round and rather large. Should I just use wire snips to cut it to a square?
Yep
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Sir Ulrich, I am happy you found your look. Not to be pessimistic but...the flat-top pot helmet looks very bulky, pertruding, & not proportionate to your head. Why did you not try a transitional flat-top crusader helmet instead?? It is smaller in size, almost same look for your aimed time-period (Crusader-era: 1100-1300), & might fit more comfortable.
Yes ulrich get a helm like us. one of us...one of us...
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My head circumference is 25 1/2 with my padded coif and maille on, my kettle helm with a 26 circumference doesn't fit me properly and digs the maille into my forehead which hurts a lot. Guess I just naturally have a big head size. This new helm fits perfectly with my head though which I like. Now to find a kettle helm that is at least 26 1/2 or 27 circumference wise to replace my current one so I can be both a sergeant and a knight at the same time.
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Sir Ulrich, I am happy you found your look. Not to be pessimistic but...the flat-top pot helmet looks very bulky, pertruding, & not proportionate to your head. Why did you not try a transitional flat-top crusader helmet instead?? It is smaller in size, almost same look for your aimed time-period (Crusader-era: 1100-1300), & might fit more comfortable.
Yes ulrich get a helm like us. one of us...one of us...
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