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Re: Creating a society/order?
« Reply #90 on: 2010-11-12, 19:53:03 »
  • We could start off by knighting just a few to get the minimum three for an accolade going, and let everyone else follow the normal path via the rules. I was thinking if we go this route, I'd grab Brian, Wolf, and Paladin since I know them through faire/elsewhere, have seen their kits, and believe them to be men of honor. That would be 4 of us, letting us each have the minimum of 3 for an accolade. We knight each other, and the ball is rolling.

I think this would be the best towards keeping the "equality" and low number of "tiers". Honorary Knights brings in another set of what can they do, what can't they do, how are they "ranked", and so on. That's also the core group of people I would vote towards being the founding members.

Sir Edward, I'll email you to further discuss the hosting, so I don't derail the thread further. :)
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Re: Creating a society/order?
« Reply #91 on: 2010-11-13, 00:55:19 »
I too like the idea of the initial four choosed by Sir Edward to begin the order. I would propose, though, that the title Honorary Knight be replaced with the title Knight Errant. It would remain the same as originally proposed, it would simply be a different term. Knight Errant has a more period feel to it, in my opinion. Once I assemble my mid-1300s kit, then perhaps I would seek a change in status. Until then, I don't quite feel like I belong in the official "Knight" category.

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« Reply #92 on: 2010-11-13, 01:31:22 »

Well, my thought is that a true Knight Errant is one who is not associated with an Order at all. An "Honorary Knight" wouldn't really be a rank as such. My thinking here is that it can be a stepping stone for the initial members, but in the future would serve the purpose of bringing on people who want to participate online but can't physically (because of living on the other side of the ocean, for instance). So having a bunch of them would be, ideally, a temporary thing, with the main function of that level being to recognize someone as a knight without having to hold up the Order's business on their behalf. I don't know what rules we'd have for how to offer "honorary" status to someone, or whatever, so it's still all just an idea anyway.
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« Reply #93 on: 2010-11-13, 02:59:41 »
- I would suggest another name to add to that potential initial listing is Sir Andrew. A most honorable knight and man of impeccable integrity.

Oh, absolutely. I haven't seen him chime in here yet, but he'd certainly be welcome!
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« Reply #94 on: 2010-11-13, 13:36:48 »
Hey, this might sound a bit stupid but how does one go about making a coat of arms? I understand purposes of heraldry and such, and I have a few ideas that I like, but how do you get your coat of arms on the computer? Because I'd really like a shield by my name on that roster  ;D
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« Reply #95 on: 2010-11-13, 14:11:55 »
Hey, this might sound a bit stupid but how does one go about making a coat of arms? I understand purposes of heraldry and such, and I have a few ideas that I like, but how do you get your coat of arms on the computer? Because I'd really like a shield by my name on that roster  ;D

Sadly, the best way to do it is just in a graphics program, like Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro or something along those lines. The rules of heraldry can be picked up pretty easily with the SCA's primer on it here: http://heraldry.sca.org/primer/

And you can do some experimentation and simple design with a program called Blazon95 (get the Windows 95 version): http://www.harnmaster.us/blazon.html
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Re: Creating a society/order?
« Reply #96 on: 2010-11-13, 22:26:44 »
Lots of useful stuff can be found here:  http://www.heraldicclipart.com/
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Re: Creating a society/order?
« Reply #97 on: 2010-11-13, 22:28:00 »
Hey, this might sound a bit stupid but how does one go about making a coat of arms? I understand purposes of heraldry and such, and I have a few ideas that I like, but how do you get your coat of arms on the computer? Because I'd really like a shield by my name on that roster  ;D

Just make sure you are following at least the rules of tincture and you'll be ok...Don't be like me and go so far as to paint your shield and have the charges put on a surcoat before you realize you've made that major heraldic faux pas! :)
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« Reply #98 on: 2010-11-13, 22:30:42 »
Don't feel bad, Sir Brian.  Heraldry is so convoluted, the faux pas are quite "rampant" :D
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« Reply #99 on: 2010-11-14, 02:28:42 »
Don't feel bad, Sir Brian.  Heraldry is so convoluted, the faux pas are quite "rampant" :D
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« Reply #100 on: 2010-11-15, 02:51:12 »
Hey, this might sound a bit stupid but how does one go about making a coat of arms? I understand purposes of heraldry and such, and I have a few ideas that I like, but how do you get your coat of arms on the computer? Because I'd really like a shield by my name on that roster  ;D

I used (http://www.inkwellideas.com/coat_of_arms/free_coads.shtml) to make the shield that is my avatar.
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Re: Creating a society/order?
« Reply #101 on: 2010-11-15, 15:55:17 »
Blazons, tinctures, it is a lot to absorb!
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« Reply #102 on: 2010-11-15, 19:15:18 »

One thing to keep in mind, IMHO, is to avoid falling into some of the traps that the SCA heralds complain about. Such as working in overly-modern charges (such as ice cream cones), or getting carried away with an overly complex design. There's what's referred to as "resumé heraldry", where people try to fit in a large number of charges at once (such as "well, I'm a blacksmith so I want an anvil, and I fight so I want a sword, and I was born during a full moon so I need a moon on there").

I'm guilty of the latter to a certain extent. I had 3 main charges I wanted to use, though I considered designs with only one or two of them before settling on what I'm using now.

But what a symbol means to you might differ from their historical heraldic meaning, so that's another angle to approach it from if you're lacking in ideas. You can start with a meaning and pick an animal or object to use accordingly.

But also keep in mind that whatever you come up with, you may wish to paint into shields or stitch onto fabric. Animals are hard to do. Multiple animals makes that harder. Though of course, stencils can be an option here to make that a lot easier.

Historically, particularly in the earlier parts of the period, heraldry was often more geometric with maybe only one or two charges.

Take a look at the Dering Roll of Arms (circa 1270-1280) below:

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« Reply #103 on: 2010-11-15, 19:54:01 »
Huh...so I could go with 'quarterly sable and azure' and leave it at that?  Then it'd match my black/blue surcoat you see in my avatar pic.  Thought of adding 'a dragon sejant gardant' smack in the middle of it, countercharged to stand out.

Its like learning a new language, all this terminology.  LOL
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« Reply #104 on: 2010-11-15, 20:37:51 »

Yep, you could. Just know that "quarterly" (or "per cross") is extremely common. If you want to register your arms in the SCA, it has to have several points of difference from any other registered arms. If it's too simple, it will be hard to get it to pass. But it's a common misconception that it has to be complex. Simple is good. :)
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