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Re: Ed's Mid-Late 14th C. kit
« Reply #30 on: 2010-07-27, 20:14:12 »
Sooo I have a real good chance of seeing you in the steel this year?  ;)

Totally! My hope is to have three harnesses as such this time around (early 14th, mid/late 14th, and my plate). Not to mention, I'll be able to bring out my new nobles at some point as well (just took delivery this weekend!)
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Re: Ed's Mid-Late 14th C. kit
« Reply #31 on: 2010-07-27, 20:29:21 »
pictures?

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Re: Ed's Mid-Late 14th C. kit
« Reply #32 on: 2010-07-29, 20:50:25 »
pictures?

RE the nobles... Not yet, I only have a few while it was still being finished. I'll look and see if one of those is good enough, otherwise pictures may need to wait a bit.
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Re: Ed's Mid-Late 14th C. kit
« Reply #33 on: 2010-07-29, 21:18:41 »
have you found a effigy or picture of another kit for what your shooting to look like? can we see it? :)

Looked a bit here: http://www.themcs.org/armour/14th%20century%20armour.htm

It's interesting, the predominant style is still the mail and longer surcoat up into the 1330's, with some mix during that decade, then mostly plate and mail mixed by about 1340, with the 1340's still having surcoats around knee-length if they have them instead of a shorter coat of plates. These longer surcoats persist up through the 1350's on some effigies. Everything is mid-thigh or crotch length after 1360.

The earliest case of plate with rondels over mail is about 1323 though. In the mid 1320's there's at least one case with a jack-chain style of rudimentary elbow and shoulder cops over mail instead of plate, with mostly mail persisting into the 1330's.

Mail mittens still seem to be the most common until the early 1340's, though at least one effigy in the 1320's has what appears to be heavier gauntlets. Around 1350, demi-gaunts and some sort of heavy glove seem common. Progressing through the 1350's and 1360's, hourglass and Wisby style gaunts show up.

So depending on which decade I'm looking at, I have a lot of options. Once the simple plate starts to appear, it's not long before more ornate stuff is on the scene, so it's more the surcoat and coat of plates that changes during these decades.  The rondels on the elbows become scarce later in the century, but can still be seen as late as the 1380's.

I could aim for somewhere around 1350, and have a mid-thigh to knee length surcoat, mixing mail and plate with the rondels, and a bascinet, and it would be in period. I could potentially put a demi-gaunt over a glove and have that work too.

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Re: Ed's Mid-Late 14th C. kit
« Reply #34 on: 2010-09-28, 23:29:02 »
OK, so this is where things stand on this kit. I have the Merc's Tailor spaulders, arms, and legs. I'm thinking I may use my Revival Clothing arming cotte and pourpoint for the time being to hold them all together. Still need to make the surcoat/jupon.

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I also need a coat of plates, and I'm looking at this one here:  http://www.wintertreecrafts.com/CoP.html

I can still use the MRL bascinet for the time being, but I'll look into something nicer later. For the renfaire, I may not both wearing the helm at all. We'll see.
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Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #35 on: 2010-09-29, 03:13:17 »
that is a nice one. i wouldn't got for their dagged look, something odd about it, looks more like a SCAism. what color? i don't see blue as an option? heheh

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Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #36 on: 2010-09-29, 07:33:21 »
Their prices seem a tad high IMO.  :-\

Are you sure you didn't want Allan or Nute to make the plates for you and then you make the COP yourself with blue leather? That would look cool!  :)
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Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #37 on: 2010-09-29, 13:08:14 »

I have too much to do right now to make it myself. I really want someone to just make it for me. If I can't get it in blue, then I'll get black. It'll be under a jupon/surcoat anyway.

Yeah, I'd like more historical dags if I could get them. Know of any other sources for wisby-style CoP?
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Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #38 on: 2010-09-29, 17:37:14 »
Sorry no, and it's not surprising that few vendors are making CoPs since they appear to be pretty straight forward to make.
I was going to have either Nute or Allan make the plates for me and I was going to buy the rivets and leather from Tandy
leather to make mine this winter but I might be too busy myself with my harnass overhaul.  :-\

 
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Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #39 on: 2010-09-29, 18:24:05 »
You guys are bad for my sanity...love that coat of plates, I'd go w/out the dagged look myself, unless I were doing a 14th C or later- oop, I just might be!

Thanks for posting that, Sir Edward...I maybe acquiring one myself!
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Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #41 on: 2010-09-29, 19:15:09 »
Awesome. I'm liking the one from Anshelm. I already looked at Windrose, but theirs is one size, for a 48" chest, and would be too big. One of the others is overseas, and hugely expensive, so that's off the table too.

Anshelm has more historic dags... and they use aircraft aluminum... no rust!!! :)

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Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #42 on: 2010-09-29, 19:53:17 »
Yea, I don't much care for the one-size-fits-all philosophy.
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Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #43 on: 2010-09-30, 13:50:40 »
wintertree posted on teh archive. i asked him about blue color and using aluminum as the metal

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Re: Ed's Mid 14th C. kit
« Reply #44 on: 2010-09-30, 14:07:07 »
Is it me or are most of what we've seen sized for men w/larger waists than chests?
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