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Re: Where to begin? New Kit in the working..
« Reply #45 on: 2014-05-06, 18:40:07 »
This weekend will be my current stuff. May get some items in before then but no Armor pieces ordered as of yet. I am hoping to maybe have some stuff for VARF, but I am not holding my breath. Still need to locate and order Arms and Legs of the more plate type variety for mid 14th.
As well as decide on Helmet to go with it.

I believe that a Coat of plates would be more correct for the mid 14th, please correct me if I am wrong.

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Re: Where to begin? New Kit in the working..
« Reply #46 on: 2014-05-06, 18:57:22 »
A COP was pretty typical for mid-14th. They were about 24 variants alone from the Visby excavation IIRC.
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Re: Where to begin? New Kit in the working..
« Reply #47 on: 2014-05-07, 00:00:55 »
They were in use before that as well, with examples around the start of the century, but the earlier ones were designed a little differently. They tended to have fewer plates, and longer "tails" of fabric, going with the theme of a longer surcoat.
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Re: Where to begin? New Kit in the working..
« Reply #48 on: 2014-05-07, 00:13:56 »
They were in use before that as well, with examples around the start of the century, but the earlier ones were designed a little differently. They tended to have fewer plates, and longer "tails" of fabric, going with the theme of a longer surcoat.

Even before that, they could be found a little past the mid 13th century. Here is what they generally looked like. Like Sir Edward said, they almost resembled a surcoat with plates attached.
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Re: Where to begin? New Kit in the working..
« Reply #49 on: 2014-05-07, 12:53:49 »
They were in use before that as well, with examples around the start of the century, but the earlier ones were designed a little differently. They tended to have fewer plates, and longer "tails" of fabric, going with the theme of a longer surcoat.

Even before that, they could be found a little past the mid 13th century. Here is what they generally looked like. Like Sir Edward said, they almost resembled a surcoat with plates attached.

Yep, those were the ones I was referring to. I didn't mean to exclude the 13th century. :) Thanks for the clarification.
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Re: Where to begin? New Kit in the working..
« Reply #50 on: 2014-05-09, 02:38:59 »
Ahhh Memories of Mike loades getting medieval.
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Re: Where to begin? New Kit in the working..
« Reply #51 on: 2014-05-09, 02:39:30 »
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Re: Where to begin? New Kit in the working..
« Reply #52 on: 2014-05-16, 18:25:31 »
Arming cotte is in. Now to get measurements together to prepare for the Armor purchases.... just need to find an armorer.

James do you still have that measurement sheet??

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Re: Where to begin? New Kit in the working..
« Reply #53 on: 2014-05-16, 19:02:21 »
Arming cotte is in. Now to get measurements together to prepare for the Armor purchases.... just need to find an armorer.

James do you still have that measurement sheet??

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Re: Where to begin? New Kit in the working..
« Reply #54 on: 2014-05-16, 19:55:08 »
Its the one from Revival clothing. Pictures tomorrow.

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Re: Where to begin? New Kit in the working..
« Reply #55 on: 2014-05-16, 22:29:15 »
Arming cotte is in. Now to get measurements together to prepare for the Armor purchases.... just need to find an armorer.

James do you still have that measurement sheet??

Find the armorer first, then worry about the measurements.  Each armorer has little quirks with how they may prefer you measure.
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Re: Where to begin? New Kit in the working..
« Reply #56 on: 2014-05-17, 22:39:29 »
True..

I do have an Armorer in mind.. really like the work he did on James's stuff.

Just have to get in contact with him and see about getting the ball rolling.

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Re: Where to begin? New Kit in the working..
« Reply #57 on: 2014-05-19, 21:43:43 »
Does this set of arms have a mid to late 14th look to it??

http://merctailor.webs.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=184414920

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Re: Where to begin? New Kit in the working..
« Reply #58 on: 2014-05-20, 13:20:00 »
Does this set of arms have a mid to late 14th look to it??

http://merctailor.webs.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=184414920

They look pretty good to me. MercTailor armor is affordable, so it skips on some of the more expensive and time-consuming subtleties of super-accurate armor. But you can count on it being well made and functional, while looking pretty good.
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Re: Where to begin? New Kit in the working..
« Reply #59 on: 2014-05-20, 15:29:48 »
Does this set of arms have a mid to late 14th look to it??

http://merctailor.webs.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=184414920

Mid and late are not exactly the same styles so here's some things to keep in mind:

The scalloped spaulder on the ones you linked are not really that common in effigies or manuscripts for mid or late.  If you care, something with a more typical spaulder would be these (this style stays the same for mid and late 14th).  Also the simple rondels on the elbows are good for mid-14th.  The fancier shaped elbow fans on the one you linked are more typical of late 14th:

http://merctailor.webs.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=189030062



Here's an example dated to 1359 with those style arms and splint legs:




As Ed said Allan at Merctailor does great work and is very affordable.  I'm willing to bet he can also make what you want if you just ask him.  He's on the forum too (Allan Senefelder).
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