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Re: I Want to be an 11th century Norman Knight
« Reply #30 on: 2014-02-13, 20:07:27 »
that, was a long time ago. 2006 ;)
http://historiclife.com/Events/Norman.htm for some good pics of norman stuff over the years.

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Re: I Want to be an 11th century Norman Knight
« Reply #31 on: 2014-02-14, 04:08:17 »
I'm in the market for a pouch and someone recommended Boots by Bohemond. Now I know kidney pouches were common during the middle ages, but I was under the impression they didn't become common place until the 13th century and on. Since I'm doing an 11th cen Norman impression, I want to get a pouch that would be appropriate. I've been eyeballing the last three pouches on this site http://www.bootsbybohemond.net/index.php/shop-ii/purses-in-pieces

Anyone have any suggestions?
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Re: I Want to be an 11th century Norman Knight
« Reply #32 on: 2014-02-14, 12:26:17 »
if i ever wore mine, it was a simple woolen round bag. it had a draw string at the top.

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Re: I Want to be an 11th century Norman Knight
« Reply #33 on: 2014-02-14, 17:26:15 »
I'm in the market for a pouch and someone recommended Boots by Bohemond. Now I know kidney pouches were common during the middle ages, but I was under the impression they didn't become common place until the 13th century and on. Since I'm doing an 11th cen Norman impression, I want to get a pouch that would be appropriate. I've been eyeballing the last three pouches on this site http://www.bootsbybohemond.net/index.php/shop-ii/purses-in-pieces

Anyone have any suggestions?

The book he references Dress Accessories, from the Medieval Finds From Excavations in London series indicates that those leather purses with flap closures like that are more of a late medieval fashion. 

The early examples of purses in that book are simple leather pouches with draw-string closures at the top.  They also only date back to the 12th century (That book only goes as far back as 1150).

Could you wear a purse with a leather flap closure at DoK?  Yes, and most people will be none-the-wiser, but if you want to be true to a Norman purse, those are probably a little fashion forward for the 11th century.  The bottom one on Boots by Bohemond (the Berengaria pouch) could probably be modified to make it a little simpler.  Or you could just make a simple draw-string pouch from some veg-tanned leather.

I own the Berengaria (my wife wears it), and the Bollock Purse, both are nice quality.
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Re: I Want to be an 11th century Norman Knight
« Reply #34 on: 2014-02-14, 18:51:43 »
Since I've got quite a bit of leather scraps, I think I'll just make my own then. Besides, I feel that making your stuff is much more rewarding.
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Re: I Want to be an 11th century Norman Knight
« Reply #35 on: 2014-02-17, 02:10:42 »
So here's the results of my first foray into leatherworking...

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Re: I Want to be an 11th century Norman Knight
« Reply #36 on: 2014-02-17, 03:22:25 »
They look nice! Did you make a tutorial, by chance? :)
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Re: I Want to be an 11th century Norman Knight
« Reply #37 on: 2014-02-17, 04:18:20 »
I sorta just winged it and surprisingly it turned out well. I could type one up for you, but I neglected to take pictures of the process.
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Re: I Want to be an 11th century Norman Knight
« Reply #38 on: 2014-02-17, 04:50:17 »
Very nice indeed! And yes, sometimes making your own stuff is what makes it fun. ;D
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Re: I Want to be an 11th century Norman Knight
« Reply #39 on: 2014-02-17, 12:47:43 »
Looks great!

And yes, sometimes making your own stuff is what makes it fun. ;D

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Re: I Want to be an 11th century Norman Knight
« Reply #40 on: 2014-02-17, 15:22:27 »
Quick question: I bought this wooden plate for a $1 at a yard sale. Could it be used as a trencher?
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Re: I Want to be an 11th century Norman Knight
« Reply #41 on: 2014-02-17, 21:09:14 »
Came across this site today and thought you might find it useful.
http://angevin.org
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Re: I Want to be an 11th century Norman Knight
« Reply #42 on: 2014-02-18, 00:59:05 »
Quick question: I bought this wooden plate for a $1 at a yard sale. Could it be used as a trencher?

I know that sounds like a simple question, but do you mean does it look like a proper medieval trencher or can you use it at DoK?

The answers to those questions are not really, and yes.  DoK's standards would definitely allow the use of that plate as a trencher.  Would it meet the requirements of a strict LH group, probably not.  I use something similar with plans to eventually upgrade, but good medieval trenchers are hard to find.
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« Reply #43 on: 2014-02-18, 06:55:52 »
Well that answers my question quite nicely. Thanks
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Re: I Want to be an 11th century Norman Knight
« Reply #44 on: 2014-02-19, 17:58:14 »
For your time frame, a thick piece of bread would often as not be the trencher.
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