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Re: Knighly Orders during the Crusades
« Reply #30 on: 2013-12-14, 05:43:31 »
Quote from: DouglasTheYounger on 2013-12-14, 01:12:22
Quote from: Sir Aiden on 2013-12-13, 20:51:55
Anyway, so are the supposed to be Templars or Teutonic Knights?

I'm pretty sure they're supposed to be Templars.

We are so respectful to religion here In Jerusalem. We kill Templars for killing innocent people. Hang them In public.
Wait one moment I've just received a pigion letter. Don't hang the Templars in public you will be assassinated#haggistag#templars
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Re: Knighly Orders during the Crusades
« Reply #31 on: 2013-12-15, 12:00:44 »
Morning gents,

Excellent responses to my question! I didn't know the Ibelins (se?) Were a real order/family...? And thank yoi Sir NathanQ for the info about the orders, especiallly the Teutonics Knights! I gotta get my swrod swinging butt in gear and post my pics of my gear n get-up, including my Tuetonic Gen2 dagger!
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Re: Knighly Orders during the Crusades
« Reply #32 on: 2013-12-16, 06:08:27 »
Quote from: LionPride32 on 2013-12-15, 12:00:44
Morning gents,

Excellent responses to my question! I didn't know the Ibelins (se?) Were a real order/family...? And thank yoi Sir NathanQ for the info about the orders, especiallly the Teutonics Knights! I gotta get my swrod swinging butt in gear and post my pics of my gear n get-up, including my Tuetonic Gen2 dagger!

Indeed! I would love to have a peek at what you have!
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Re: Knighly Orders during the Crusades
« Reply #33 on: 2013-12-18, 19:30:24 »
No problem, always happy to talk about the Teutonic Order!   :)

Also, yes, that scene in Kingdom of Heaven was a mistake, and they were meant to be Templars, who apparently got some future surcotes and helmets. Must have been an executive decision on Ridley's part...
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Re: Knighly Orders during the Crusades
« Reply #34 on: 2013-12-18, 20:59:55 »
Quote from: SirNathanQ on 2013-12-18, 19:30:24
No problem, always happy to talk about the Teutonic Order!   :)

Also, yes, that scene in Kingdom of Heaven was a mistake, and they were meant to be Templars, who apparently got some future surcotes and helmets. Must have been an executive decision on Ridley's part...

Maybe they were time travelers? Got mixed up with some time bandits possibly.
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Re: Knighly Orders during the Crusades
« Reply #35 on: 2013-12-18, 21:21:51 »
Yes! Time-travelling Templars! Because...alliteration. 8)
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Re: Knighly Orders during the Crusades
« Reply #36 on: 2013-12-18, 22:08:29 »
Quote from: SirNathanQ on 2013-12-18, 19:30:24
No problem, always happy to talk about the Teutonic Order!   :)

Also, yes, that scene in Kingdom of Heaven was a mistake, and they were meant to be Templars, who apparently got some future surcotes and helmets. Must have been an executive decision on Ridley's part...

Costume Guy: Hey, director dude, GDFB says they only have 80 of the "Templar" surcoats in stock. But they have 20 "Two-tonics" that we could buy too.

Director Dude: Okay so what's the difference?

Costume Guy: They said it's almost all the same and just a black cross instead of a red one.

Director Dude: What are our other options?

Costume Guy: Ask your mom to sew us the other 20 we need.

Director Dude: It's a short scene, get the two-ton-whatever, it's close enough.
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Re: Knighly Orders during the Crusades
« Reply #37 on: 2013-12-23, 04:05:30 »
Add a scene where Director Dude Ridley orders approximately all the flags and adds 5 more scenes of various medieval Catholic Church figures being horrible people, and you have a working summary of the making of Kingdom of Heaven.
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Re: Knighly Orders during the Crusades
« Reply #38 on: 2013-12-23, 04:31:59 »
Haha I am currently watching it  :D
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Re: Knighly Orders during the Crusades
« Reply #39 on: 2013-12-23, 13:51:16 »
Quote from: SirNathanQ on 2013-12-23, 04:05:30
Add a scene where Director Dude Ridley orders approximately all the flags and adds 5 more scenes of various medieval Catholic Church figures being horrible people, and you have a working summary of the making of Kingdom of Heaven.

It is ironic that the two religions at the center of the Crusades both preached love and forbearance for their fellow man, but neither of those were ever really understood or practiced by either side.
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Re: Knighly Orders during the Crusades
« Reply #40 on: 2013-12-23, 15:35:39 »
At least they got the feel for Saladin correct. There was a reason he & Richard became one of histories great rivalry of equals.
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Re: Knighly Orders during the Crusades
« Reply #41 on: 2013-12-23, 23:12:20 »
Quote from: Thorsteinn on 2013-12-23, 15:35:39
At least they got the feel for Saladin correct. There was a reason he & Richard became one of histories great rivalry of equals.

That was my one problem with Arn, Saladin was just, He showed some mercy, but One thing that bothered me was that he was muslim and Ive heard historians say he was a kurb. I don't know what that is but its not muslim.(I have no problem with any other religion, Just accuracy to history)
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Re: Knighly Orders during the Crusades
« Reply #42 on: 2013-12-24, 00:28:18 »
Saladin was both. Kurdish is an ethnic group whereas Muslim/Islamic is a religion. If someone's a Kurd, that just means he comes from areas like Syria, Iraq, and Iran.

Like how you have English and French, but they were both still Catholic at that time. :)
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Re: Knighly Orders during the Crusades
« Reply #43 on: 2013-12-24, 05:06:08 »
Quote from: Sir William on 2013-12-23, 13:51:16
Quote from: SirNathanQ on 2013-12-23, 04:05:30
Add a scene where Director Dude Ridley orders approximately all the flags and adds 5 more scenes of various medieval Catholic Church figures being horrible people, and you have a working summary of the making of Kingdom of Heaven.


It is ironic that the two religions at the center of the Crusades both preached love and forbearance for their fellow man, but neither of those were ever really understood or practiced by either side.

The situation was a fair bit more complicated than that. Both sides had deep and legitimate reasons for waging war in the name of God.
In fact you will find these principles are applied outside of the context of active warfare. Muslim and Christian lived side by side (literally) without violent incident in cities controlled by either religion.

Also, Douglas is right on the money regarding Saladin's Kurdish lineage. It's an ethnicity, nothing more.
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Re: Knighly Orders during the Crusades
« Reply #44 on: 2013-12-24, 16:12:28 »
Quote from: DouglasTheYounger on 2013-12-24, 00:28:18
Saladin was both. Kurdish is an ethnic group whereas Muslim/Islamic is a religion. If someone's a Kurd, that just means he comes from areas like Syria, Iraq, and Iran.

Like how you have English and French, but they were both still Catholic at that time. :)

It all makes Sense now.
So I guess Arn is the most accurate thing we have on screen about the crusades.
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