SCA Combat Archers

[Ian]

Ya I'll have to go to the combat practice. I'm sorry, I didn't address going to it.
How about this, once I go to a combat practice and get associated with a local group, I'll inform you guys of what kinda stuff I'll need.
It will probably be in spring.  When the weather warms up.

sounds like a solid plan!

[RackThor]

Dont you need to have done HEMA Or something along those lines to join or particapate in s.c.a.?

Actually they have people "Marshals" that will train you in any form of martial combat that you want. But to join is easy as showing up to meetings, going to events, etc. To be an official member there is a fee but that is it.

[RackThor]

Well, I think Ill do good.
I have 2 years of sport fencing exeperience.
Sparred with my brothers(free style) up till I was about 12.
Ya, lol. Thought I needed more combat experience to join Sca
Wow, This is Good News! im gonna Join As soon As I have the Right Gear.
So far I have one thing that is(from reading requirements) sca worthy.
This Is Fantastic News!
give me a few years Ill be on the fields of Pennsic in No time.
Huzzah!

Rejoice my friend! If you need any aid in joining let me know or let your local chapters chatelaine know because it is our job to help bring in new people. Looking from your photo if that is you than you seem to have everything you need

[RackThor]

SCA target archery is not too different from target practice really, however I wanted to see if any of you have personal stories about being, or encountering combat archers on the field of battle. Were they effective? How did you fight combat archers? If you are one share your knowledge, and if your good at beating them please do the same.

Thank you,

RackThor

Sorry RackThor, I meant to answer your question but then … Squirrel! … Where was I?  Ah yes, SCA archery.

SCA target archery is a separate competitive sport very similar to regular target archery, except you’re in period clothing and using the most period bow that you can make or afford.  You shoot at butts or bales and are scored accordingly.  Sometimes Kingdoms run a yearlong championship at several different events and the total points winner is crowned archery champion.

SCA combat archery is a whole other animal.  You are required wear full armour and are considered fair game on the field of combat.  The arrows are very large in diameter and the safety tips are heavy.   Combine this with gauntlets and your accuracy leaves something to be desired.

The best way I can describe SCA combat archery is like having a 20’ spear.  You can reach out and touch others who can’t reach you in return (Knights hate this fact).  Working in pairs with another archer has worked well for me.  It’s hard for your targets to focus on two archers 10’ apart.  When the lead archer fires, the second archer usually finds a nice gap to hit as someone invariably raises a shield or tries to protect their buddy.  Beware of flanking maneuvers as a unit that catches an undefended archer in the backfield will grind you into the ground for the suffering you’ve caused.

Thank you for your advice and insight!

[Sir Nate]

Well, I think Ill do good.
I have 2 years of sport fencing exeperience.
Sparred with my brothers(free style) up till I was about 12.
Ya, lol. Thought I needed more combat experience to join Sca
Wow, This is Good News! im gonna Join As soon As I have the Right Gear.
So far I have one thing that is(from reading requirements) sca worthy.
This Is Fantastic News!
give me a few years Ill be on the fields of Pennsic in No time.
Huzzah!

Rejoice my friend! If you need any aid in joining let me know or let your local chapters chatelaine know because it is our job to help bring in new people. Looking from your photo if that is you than you seem to have everything you need

None of my stuff is combat worthy.
My helm is only 16 gauge.

[Thorsteinn]

In the West Kingdom you can fight in a 16 ga helm. It's just not recommended.

Where do you live again? I can link you to your Kingdom's Heavy Combat, Rapier, and Cut & Trust rules if you like.

[Sir Nate]

In the West Kingdom you can fight in a 16 ga helm. It's just not recommended.

Where do you live again? I can link you to your Kingdom's Heavy Combat, Rapier, and Cut & Trust rules if you like.

That would be much appreciated.
I actually am not sure what my helms gauge is.
It was bought by my father on eBay. All I truelly know about it is that it's iron and isn't 1 solid ingot or piece.
How can I find out what gauge it is?
Btw I live in P.A. Eastern kingdom.
( the land of cheesesteaks)

[Sir Rodney]

That would be much appreciated.
I actually am not sure what my helms gauge is.
It was bought by my father on eBay. All I truelly know about it is that it's iron and isn't 1 solid ingot or piece.
How can I find out what gauge it is?
Btw I live in P.A. Eastern kingdom.
( the land of cheesesteaks)

If you don’t have a good caliper, pick up a cheap sheet metal gauge at your local hardware store, Harbor Freight, etc.  The cheap gauge will get you close.  Do not force the metal into the slot; it should slip in easily but not sloppy.

[Sir Nate]

Thank you Lord Rodney. I look for one possibly this weekend.

[Sir James A]

In the West Kingdom you can fight in a 16 ga helm. It's just not recommended.

Where do you live again? I can link you to your Kingdom's Heavy Combat, Rapier, and Cut & Trust rules if you like.

That would be much appreciated.
I actually am not sure what my helms gauge is.
It was bought by my father on eBay. All I truelly know about it is that it's iron and isn't 1 solid ingot or piece.
How can I find out what gauge it is?
Btw I live in P.A. Eastern kingdom.
( the land of cheesesteaks)

90% sure it's a GDFB Sugarloaf, I'd need to see it up close to compare though. If so, it's 16 gauge.

http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=AB1340

[Thorsteinn]

That would be much appreciated.
Btw I live in P.A. Eastern kingdom.

From here: http://www.eastkingdom.org/Martial.html

Heavy- http://marshal.eastkingdom.org/ & http://marshal.eastkingdom.org/fighters.html

Rapier- http://rapier.eastkingdom.org/ & http://rapier.eastkingdom.org/index.php/rules-page

If you like I can link you to some FB lists regarding SCA combat.

[Don Jorge]

For a helmet dont go thinner than 14g. It will get dented...and it might ring your bell more than necessary. I personally am going for a 12g top and 13g sides bascinet and it cost about 150 plus shipping...blackened with a hinged visor. Accdntprone on the Armor Archive makes cheap starter SCA helms while you save up for a nice $350+ helm. He also makes a great helm with brass cross for about 225 which is nice!

[Sir Nate]

In the West Kingdom you can fight in a 16 ga helm. It's just not recommended.

Where do you live again? I can link you to your Kingdom's Heavy Combat, Rapier, and Cut & Trust rules if you like.

That would be much appreciated.
I actually am not sure what my helms gauge is.
It was bought by my father on eBay. All I truelly know about it is that it's iron and isn't 1 solid ingot or piece.
How can I find out what gauge it is?
Btw I live in P.A. Eastern kingdom.
( the land of cheesesteaks)

90% sure it's a GDFB Sugarloaf, I'd need to see it up close to compare though. If so, it's 16 gauge.

http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=AB1340

It's similar to mine but not the same.

That would be much appreciated.
Btw I live in P.A. Eastern kingdom.

From here: http://www.eastkingdom.org/Martial.html

Heavy- http://marshal.eastkingdom.org/ & http://marshal.eastkingdom.org/fighters.html

Rapier- http://rapier.eastkingdom.org/ & http://rapier.eastkingdom.org/index.php/rules-page

If you like I can link you to some FB lists regarding SCA combat.

Thank you thorsteinn.
No need for the FB links.
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For a helmet dont go thinner than 14g. It will get dented...and it might ring your bell more than necessary. I personally am going for a 12g top and 13g sides bascinet and it cost about 150 plus shipping...blackened with a hinged visor. Accdntprone on the Armor Archive makes cheap starter SCA helms while you save up for a nice $350+ helm. He also makes a great helm with brass cross for about 225 which is nice!

Wow really!
Armor archive you say?
I'll take a look

[Don Jorge]

Here is an example of the helms he makes:
Spangen helm with Ocular ($150)
http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=168663

Spangen helm w/o Ocular ($115)
http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=168728
Blackened Greathelm with Cross ($225 i think?)
http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=169000

Assorted Greathelms and Sugarloafs ($150-225)
http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=168066

Mongolianish Helm with Drape ($250)
http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=168658&p=2566762#p2566762

His blackened bascinet I can't seem to find on AA but he told me about it via FB and its 150 and has a center hinge grill.

Again not living history stuff or nice finish but great solid helmet you can fight safely in!

[Sir Nate]

Danke