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Re: My Kit...14th Century for CotT (SCA Legal)
« Reply #75 on: 2014-04-14, 20:29:57 »
Isn't a sugarloaf a bit early for your kit?
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Re: My Kit...14th Century for CotT (SCA Legal)
« Reply #76 on: 2014-04-14, 21:02:32 »
Two kits! I will post updates...splinted armor 1345-50 kit with sugarloaf and knee length heraldic tabard....then 1380 full plate articulated joints with jupon and visored basinet....that is more long term as it is beyond my skill to make :)

I have the metal for splints and bought the leather etc...the corrazina will go into the 2nd kit and making a CoP for this kit.

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Re: My Kit...14th Century for CotT (SCA Legal)
« Reply #77 on: 2014-04-14, 23:25:33 »
Even then, sugarloafs are squarely centered around the 1290's, early 1300's.  Effigies from the 1340's are virtually all bascinets.  There are a few manuscripts dated to the mid 1300's that depict sugarloafs, but they're dating often spans huge swaths, like 1300-1350, so they're not very precisely dated at all.  Sugarloafs, if in use at that time would be very old-fashioned for a Knight.  You would most certainly be talked about behind your back at court :) lol

If you're going for historical accuracy, I would maybe try to pass it off that this was your father's helm, and yours is being repaired.  Just remember, knights were the 1% of their time. ;)
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Re: My Kit...14th Century for CotT (SCA Legal)
« Reply #78 on: 2014-04-15, 13:07:57 »
The other guy who buy a helm from this Armorer got back to me with this msg:

I did get a tracking number. Haven't gotten the helmet yet.

https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfirmAction.action?tRef=fullpage&tLc=1&text28777=&tLabels=CP180020083UA

The tracking says it went THROUGH US customs on April 3rd....not sure why it hasn't gotten to him yet...but hey at least he sent something through customs!

Yeah it would have been very old fashioned for a sugarloaf in the 1350...maybe I need to see how far back I can date splinted armor with floating cops...I bet I can get around the 1325 date for the sculpture at Bargello Palace in Florence posted below. I will definitely need to look into more chain...probably a hauberk and mail chausses....then get a haubergon for the late 14th century kit....
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Re: My Kit...14th Century for CotT (SCA Legal)
« Reply #79 on: 2014-04-16, 18:47:56 »
Looks like the helmet is out for delivery! So I am waiting for the owner of the helm to give me a review but if all goes well Friday I am ordering my sugarloaf!

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Re: My Kit...14th Century for CotT (SCA Legal)
« Reply #80 on: 2014-04-17, 20:30:01 »
So I decided to get a visored basinet. The guy who was making the sugarloaf actually worked with Jollyknight before, he sent me some links of his work and he looks like he knows what he is doing...gave me a great price for the bascinet...making it from 10g Mild for the sake of the SCA game it is important to have a heavy helmet to reduce head injury.

I definitely am going to talk to him about some other commissions down the line!

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Re: My Kit...14th Century for CotT (SCA Legal)
« Reply #81 on: 2014-04-18, 02:12:30 »
I recently got a visored sugarloaf too; 14 gauge mild steel painted black with brass cross trim. I actually like it. It is good for early 1300's kit.   
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Re: My Kit...14th Century for CotT (SCA Legal)
« Reply #82 on: 2014-04-23, 20:07:09 »
My sugar load is a 16G with a cross.
It was from ebay under 100 bucks.
There are dents here and there(Durability Testing, proved....Unsuccessful)
But I think it is really nice looking from 4 ft. or further.
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Re: My Kit...14th Century for CotT (SCA Legal)
« Reply #83 on: 2014-07-18, 13:49:25 »
So I have spent a long time collecting soft kit stuff while I wait for my helmet to get here and for me to finish my splinted armor... Yesterday I got my braies, chausses (linen since it is so hot in NC) and an undershirt based on the Louis...




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Re: My Kit...14th Century for CotT (SCA Legal)
« Reply #84 on: 2014-07-18, 14:33:41 »
So I have spent a long time collecting soft kit stuff while I wait for my helmet to get here and for me to finish my splinted armor... Yesterday I got my braies, chausses (linen since it is so hot in NC) and an undershirt based on the Louis...

Looks really good!  If you can, cinch your hose up higher on the hips so they pull tight.  They should sit smooth on the leg.  If they're too big along the length of the leg an easy way to fix them is put them on inside-out, pinch along the seem to gather up the excess, pin them in place to get a nice fit, then sew right up the pin line and you've got custom fit hose.  Then a garter below each knee to keep them smooth on the calf.  Just make sure you leave enough room for your foot to go through since linen does not stretch like wool.

For attaching the hose there's a lot of evidence for a braies girdle, or a belt that holds up the braies and serves as a good point to attach the hose.  There's a big discussion on the AA going on about braies girdles and hose attachment right now.  You may want to experiment.  Some people find that when they tie their hose up tight to a draw-string on the braies that it pulls your braies down.  I plan on making a braies girdle to try it out and see if it works better.

And wool is not automatically hotter than linen, it's all dependent on the weight of the fabric.  HE's wool hose are a nice thin wool, very breathable and fine for hot weather.  All natural fibers, be them wool or linen or even cotton breathe unlike synthetics.

Here's Mac's braies girdle (note how high they sit).  The thinking now is they're going to start experimenting with a belt inside the casing of the braes that also has the ability to attach hose via points or brooches like on Mac's example:



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Re: My Kit...14th Century for CotT (SCA Legal)
« Reply #85 on: 2014-07-18, 15:30:34 »
My problem is my thighs... For squating or kneeling I need lots of space...so the will always have to be a bit loose up top...I plan to make garters for the calves but alas even at that fit it is just a tad tight when I squat...

As for girdles I saw the thread and besides seeing too much of Macs private areas it is a great read. I might try a girdle but found these braies to hold up fine just walking around...and my undershirt is plenty long as is my g63 tunic in case I have decide to share some crack from time to time ;)

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Re: My Kit...14th Century for CotT (SCA Legal)
« Reply #86 on: 2014-07-18, 15:54:16 »
I will definitely to to pull em up as far up as I can though!

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Re: My Kit...14th Century for CotT (SCA Legal)
« Reply #87 on: 2014-07-18, 16:32:46 »
I've always done the drawstring thing too, but after 12 hrs and re-tightening several times the drawstring eventually gets very uncomfortable.  I'm going to experiment with the belt option as well.
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Re: My Kit...14th Century for CotT (SCA Legal)
« Reply #88 on: 2014-07-21, 16:28:03 »
For attaching the hose there's a lot of evidence for a braies girdle, or a belt that holds up the braies and serves as a good point to attach the hose.  There's a big discussion on the AA going on about braies girdles and hose attachment right now.

Is this it? http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=172174&hilit=braies
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Re: My Kit...14th Century for CotT (SCA Legal)
« Reply #89 on: 2014-07-21, 18:55:46 »
For attaching the hose there's a lot of evidence for a braies girdle, or a belt that holds up the braies and serves as a good point to attach the hose.  There's a big discussion on the AA going on about braies girdles and hose attachment right now.

Is this it? http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=172174&hilit=braies

That thread yes, and the thread it references which is this one:
http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=135302&hilit=hose+belt
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