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Joshua Santana

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Re: Maille Standard
« Reply #15 on: 2012-05-25, 15:31:12 »
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I still have a mail standard that I purchased from Sir Edward sitting unfinished in my shop somewhere.

Lord Rodney, I must advise that you find it and you got to get to it for sooner never comes.   ;)
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Re: Maille Standard
« Reply #16 on: 2012-05-28, 19:10:53 »
Very nice Sir Nathan.
I must admit I do like the look of a mail standard or mantle at the neck when un helmed  ;)
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Re: Maille Standard
« Reply #17 on: 2012-05-30, 03:38:57 »
Thank you Sir Gerard and Lord Rodney  :)

Lord Rodney, yes my pitifully small budget necessitates my DIY-ing forays.  :)

Sir Gerard, it does a very effective job at maintaining the fully armoured look without suffering through the helmet sauna!  ;D
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Re: Maille Standard
« Reply #18 on: 2012-05-30, 15:43:32 »
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Lord Rodney, yes my pitifully small budget necessitates my DIY-ing forays.  :)

Sir Gerard, it does a very effective job at maintaining the fully armoured look without suffering through the helmet sauna!  ;D

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Re: Maille Standard
« Reply #19 on: 2012-06-15, 17:20:48 »
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Alas it is now a rarity to find as it is from the Mercenary’s Tailor armory which is no more; however providence may smile upon thee yet for Allan Senefelder who was the former proprietor and is one of the members of this very Forum as well as an honorary member of the Order of the Marshal maybe convinced to make one for you.

Haven't been around in a while As James and a few others know 2012 has pretty much gargled moose spunk for me but I just saw this and Chris's PM to me and just sent him and email.

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Re: Maille Standard
« Reply #20 on: 2012-06-15, 17:59:56 »
Excellent Allan and as always you and your family are in my prayers!
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Re: Maille Standard
« Reply #21 on: 2012-06-21, 01:29:46 »
And In mine!  :)
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Re: Maille Standard
« Reply #22 on: 2012-06-21, 20:38:41 »
Thanks Sir James. Yeah, the Italians were funky. I've seen some images that show almost 3/4 sleeves of maille over a full arm harness.

The Standard appears to be interchangable for a bevor or gorget for most of the 15th century. Apparenty also quite popular in Germany. It's also ridiclously easy to make. I'll post something in the Workshop if you all wish.

To add to the others, well-done Sir Nathan. Maille wearers of the early era were easily vulnerable to neck strikes (especially wearing closed-style barrel helmets whether transitional, Pembridge, etc. that limited a knight's visibility greatly from upward or lateral strikes).  Bevors added better protection as plate armor progressed but I still prefer the closed-helmets to more open ones (Sallets, or similar).  Italians & Germans had the best armorers during the early Rennaissance but the Normans & English certainly advanced the maille era.  Of course, that's just my opinion.
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Re: Maille Standard
« Reply #23 on: 2012-06-21, 22:08:59 »
there arent that many coif's found. i think more and more most were attached to the hauberk and had a ventail even with a helmet to prevent upward cuts etc.

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Re: Maille Standard
« Reply #24 on: 2012-06-30, 00:26:00 »
Also we do have evidence of primitive gorgets (often of iron or whalebone construction) worn underneath coifs in the 13th century. Maille alone on the neck will do a good job of protecting you from points and edges. But blunt trauma to the neck is deadly, and maille and padding alone are a bit less-than desirable IMO.

Also, thank you Lord Dane  :)
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