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Longsword practice, Order of the Marshal
« on: 2012-04-03, 01:57:46 »



OK, I'm badly repeating myself a lot. I'm working on that. lol!

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Re: Longsword practice, Order of the Marshal
« Reply #1 on: 2012-04-03, 02:32:23 »
The duel portion of the demo turned out great! I can't wait to see the rest! :)

I'd say we are well matched for this demonstration. Your technique is beautiful while mine seems more beastly...err...wait a minute...???

NO WE ARE NOT RENAMING THE DEMO DUEL OF THE BEAUTY AND THE BEAST!  ;)
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Re: Longsword practice, Order of the Marshal
« Reply #2 on: 2012-04-03, 05:53:36 »
@ 3:46 is a shot of beauty.

There were a few times when, as the tempo of blows & overall speed came up both y'all form started to tighten up alot.
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Re: Longsword practice, Order of the Marshal
« Reply #3 on: 2012-04-03, 08:06:08 »
Yeah I really have to stop leaving myself open like that...I guess I was trying the 'Gopher Gambit' which is when you hope your adversary missteps into a gopher hole and is momentarily distracted and open for a cleaving mittlehau.  ;)
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Re: Longsword practice, Order of the Marshal
« Reply #4 on: 2012-04-03, 13:28:59 »
If you notice, I stepped back slightly and then came back in with the attack. Distance control. :)
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Re: Longsword practice, Order of the Marshal
« Reply #5 on: 2012-04-03, 13:32:18 »

If you notice, I stepped back slightly and then came back in with the attack. Nothing more than just distance control there. :)

Yes that is the crucial phase of the 'Gopher Gambit' when you was suppose to step into a gopher hole!  ;)
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Re: Longsword practice, Order of the Marshal
« Reply #6 on: 2012-04-03, 13:42:11 »
Yes that is the crucial phase of the 'Gopher Gambit' when you was suppose to step into a gopher hole!  ;)

So neither of us fell for each other's shenanigans? Uh oh, that means we might both have to rely on technique. What's the world coming to? :)
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Re: Longsword practice, Order of the Marshal
« Reply #7 on: 2012-04-03, 13:46:07 »

At 2:02 starts my nebenhut play, and good Sir Brian simply backed away instead of taking the bait. Darn :)
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Re: Longsword practice, Order of the Marshal
« Reply #8 on: 2012-04-03, 13:56:42 »
Yeah I liked that bit and think the audience may enjoy that as well. :)
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Re: Longsword practice, Order of the Marshal
« Reply #9 on: 2012-04-13, 16:19:46 »
I wonder how the German style compares to the Italian style.  Would be interesting to see the 2 styles employed against each other to see the differences, strengths and weaknesses.

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Re: Longsword practice, Order of the Marshal
« Reply #10 on: 2012-04-13, 17:39:02 »

I think they're pretty comparable. Stylistically different, of course, but functionally I think they're equivalent.
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Re: Longsword practice, Order of the Marshal
« Reply #11 on: 2012-04-13, 21:21:14 »
Apparantly they have a whole bunch of extra guards, and is an extremely unpredictable, fast paced style. Though it seems all of this extra movement comes from the fact that when a swordsman says the Italian names of the gaurds and cuts, their arms and hands involuntarily begin to move at a high velocity, leading to a sudden change of guard or strike.

Teaching the art is very difficult, as when this happens to the instructor, and they try to explain the name of the gaurd or cut they have just involuntarily used, their arms start moving again, and this can continue in a vicious unbreakable cycle for hours until the teacher passes out from exhaustion.   8)
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Re: Longsword practice, Order of the Marshal
« Reply #12 on: 2012-04-13, 21:43:03 »
Apparantly they have a whole bunch of extra guards, and is an extremely unpredictable, fast paced style. Though it seems all of this extra movement comes from the fact that when a swordsman says the Italian names of the gaurds and cuts, their arms and hands involuntarily begin to move at a high velocity, leading to a sudden change of guard or strike.

Teaching the art is very difficult, as when this happens to the instructor, and they try to explain the name of the gaurd or cut they have just involuntarily used, their arms start moving again, and this can continue in a vicious unbreakable cycle for hours until the teacher passes out from exhaustion.   8)

As I person of 100% Italian ancestry, I can verify this fact... I have to remain completely silent while I type as well, or I find it impossible to keep my hands on the keys...  ;) 
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Re: Longsword practice, Order of the Marshal
« Reply #13 on: 2012-04-13, 21:51:04 »
I know how it feels. The Q stands for "Quarantillo"  ;). During public speaking I often have to remind myself to keep the hands down, or at least on SOMETHING.
I'm also heavily German, so I'm pretty intense with my hand motions. If I'm in an actual argument I look like I'm reenacting one of Hitler's hate-speeches, with the way I'm throwing my arms about and gesturing.  :P
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Re: Longsword practice, Order of the Marshal
« Reply #14 on: 2012-04-13, 22:29:53 »
Apparantly they have a whole bunch of extra guards, and is an extremely unpredictable, fast paced style. Though it seems all of this extra movement comes from the fact that when a swordsman says the Italian names of the gaurds and cuts, their arms and hands involuntarily begin to move at a high velocity, leading to a sudden change of guard or strike.

Teaching the art is very difficult, as when this happens to the instructor, and they try to explain the name of the gaurd or cut they have just involuntarily used, their arms start moving again, and this can continue in a vicious unbreakable cycle for hours until the teacher passes out from exhaustion.   8)

As I person of 100% Italian ancestry, I can verify this fact... I have to remain completely silent while I type as well, or I find it impossible to keep my hands on the keys...  ;)

Lol you two are killing me!  :D
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