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Josh's Idea for a 16th Century Kit!
« on: 2011-06-10, 22:44:10 »
As you all know I's having difficulty in deciding whether to go with a Coat of Plates or a Globose Breatsplate for my 14th Century Kit.

But here I intend to show a Kit in which I know exactly what I am looking for, travel two more Centuries towards a Late 15th - Early 16th Century Kit.  This one I intend to create for my Maximilian Knight persona and potentialy as my Kit for my Knightly service as a Knight for Hire.

Here is the idea




Now here is the Kit layout

http://www.bestarmour.com/armet_1.html
(AA 1.1)

http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=50
http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=54
http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=132
http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=102
http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=43
http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=26&products_id=46



Other armor piece variations for this Kit are considered here

http://www.bytheswordinc.com/p-9316-tudor-close-helm-26-300432.aspx for a helmet option

http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=31 for arm harness option/correction for accuracy

http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=26&products_id=141 for leg harness correction for accuracy.

I know that I have been bugging you all Brethren on my crazy and inaccurate ideas for the Kit that will soon be ordered: "When will Josh get his Kit, why does he have to keep typing up his crazy ideas, I need my sleep!"  "Josh, for the love of life!  Order the bloody Kit and post pics of it!"

That is not my intention.  I want to present an idea of mine and proofread this idea so that way you all will know what to expect when I order the first Kit.
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Re: Josh's Idea for a 16th Century Kit!
« Reply #1 on: 2011-06-11, 04:09:06 »
If you mean Maximillian as in a style of armor, none of that is. The maximillian style is probably best described as "fluted italian". It's fluted like gothic armor, but shaped more like italian. The picture is more of less a "typical" late 15th/early 16th-ish harness.
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Re: Josh's Idea for a 16th Century Kit!
« Reply #2 on: 2011-06-11, 11:27:00 »
william isn't taking any more commissions. its sad cause he really was a great armourer.

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Re: Josh's Idea for a 16th Century Kit!
« Reply #3 on: 2011-06-11, 12:03:21 »
I hope you find someone to make this since Sir Wolf says the person you intended to make it isn't taking commissions anymore. This is a fantastic kit. It may not be the fluted Maximillian armor, but boy is it pretty. Almost makes me think about adding a 16th C. knightly personae to my list. Especially since most of what I am currently involved in is 16th-17th C reenacting.

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Re: Josh's Idea for a 16th Century Kit!
« Reply #4 on: 2011-06-11, 12:53:21 »
I didn't. See that I wrote maximilian.  I did mean to Late 15th - Early 16th Century.  I know that William is out of the business, but the kit in picture serves as the model for my merc tailor kit. 

I apologize for confusion on my part.

It appears after doing some kate research, the 16th Century arms and legs are more accurate to what I am trying to get to.  The helmet is still in decision.
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Re: Josh's Idea for a 16th Century Kit!
« Reply #5 on: 2011-06-11, 15:02:11 »
gotcha! :) super sweet way to go though

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Re: Josh's Idea for a 16th Century Kit!
« Reply #6 on: 2011-06-12, 02:28:59 »
Thanks, as soon as I am able to order the full fitted Kit, I will post pictures of me in this particular Kit.  This is the Kit for my service as a Knight for Hire and for the helmet is the Armet from Illusion Armoring.  (I recall Sir Rodney's warning concerning the mentioned armory, I earlier on sent an email asking if they can make a custom fitted Armet, they responded two days later.  That is why)


here is the helmet
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Re: Josh's Idea for a 16th Century Kit!
« Reply #7 on: 2011-06-15, 18:42:07 »
A recall of the list of 16th Century kit pieces


(Punched Visor Armet from Illusion Armoring)

http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=50
http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=54
http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=132
http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=31
http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=43
http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=26&products_id=141
http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=26&products_id=74

This might be the first Kit I might order, this has yet to be determined after my trip to Andre Sinou's workshop to checkout some of his helmets and ask him several questions concerning a stainless steel version of the same kit above or (a wild idea yet!) a stainless full flutted Maximilian style Harness.  The same thing goes for the late 14th Century Kit also from Merc Tailor, but this has yet to be determined soon, time and money is what I need.  I thank you brethren for being patient with me and for your invaluable advice on both Kits.

I will post the results after the visit.
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Re: Josh's Idea for a 16th Century Kit!
« Reply #8 on: 2011-08-07, 00:38:01 »
THREAD UPDATE!

Right now, I have just started on this kit, since this Kit will be the one I will wear when I perform my Knightly Duties as a Knight for Hire.

I have just ordered these items to start off from this insanely famous vendor.

http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=AB1364&name=Maximillian+Helm
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=AB2930&name=Padded+Arming+Cap+-+Black

In terms of a Soft Kit, that is the first thing I will create before I measure and order any plate armor from Allen.  I hence figured that a 25' Helmet and 24' Arming Cap would be nice to start.  I intend on getting this Kit piece by piece and getting each measurement right without unintentional screw ups as possible.  Pictures and maybe a review will be in order, thank you.
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Re: Josh's Idea for a 16th Century Kit!
« Reply #9 on: 2011-08-07, 00:53:21 »
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Re: Josh's Idea for a 16th Century Kit!
« Reply #10 on: 2011-08-07, 01:36:17 »
It's ok Sir Joshua, I also have century ADD.
Great Ideas, cant wait to see it finished.
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Re: Josh's Idea for a 16th Century Kit!
« Reply #11 on: 2011-08-07, 15:54:34 »
That is awesome. I'm glad I won't be alone in doing a 16th century impression anymore, although mine is of a Pikeman or Musketeer.

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Re: Josh's Idea for a 16th Century Kit!
« Reply #12 on: 2011-08-08, 20:49:30 »
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It's ok Sir Joshua, I also have century ADD.

Hahahaha!  That makes the both of us!

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That is awesome. I'm glad I won't be alone in doing a 16th century impression anymore, although mine is of a Pikeman or Musketeer.

I am glad to know, thank you!  I also have an 18th Century Impression that would work in my future Faire events (this was inspired by my visit to the NY Ren Faire).  I thought that an 18th Century Scottish/Highlander Knight and Blade Master would be awesome and it costs less in terms of creating a Soft Kit!

For this Kit I am doing a Late 15th - Early 16th Century Spanish Knight Errant.  I think that diversity in Kits and Personas is one of the best qualities of this Order besides it's famous Roster of Living Knights.  I am glad to be a part if this Forum.
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Re: Josh's Idea for a 16th Century Kit!
« Reply #13 on: 2011-08-09, 17:26:58 »
Joshua, you remind me of me when I first got started...hard to focus on one particular thing when your interests fly out of you like a sunburst's rays, no?  Have fun with it man...I STILL am.  ;)
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Re: Josh's Idea for a 16th Century Kit!
« Reply #14 on: 2011-08-10, 00:22:19 »
Yeah, that's what I love about my Teutonic Knight Kit, With it I can shove my greedy little self into any of my favorite 3 centuries of Knighthood!  ;D (13th through 15th)
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