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Re: Help on Gothic Harness!
« Reply #105 on: 2011-05-27, 20:07:36 »
Glad that works Sir James.

I am still going with 15th Century Italian, I will be making inquiries from the armorers about the quotes for such orders. 

I will let everyone know what happens.

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Re: Help on Gothic Harness!
« Reply #106 on: 2011-06-01, 13:44:45 »
Thread Update: Due to advice and recommendations made by my instructors at SIGMA and some deep thinking and considerations.

I have decided to go with a 14th Century Kit.  Most likely from Merc Tailor's or from Historic Enterprises.

I will later on post my kit and harnesses prototypes.
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Re: Help on Gothic Harness!
« Reply #107 on: 2011-06-01, 18:07:59 »
excellent!

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Re: Help on Gothic Harness!
« Reply #108 on: 2011-06-01, 18:30:15 »
Well transitional definitely offers you the most versatility!  :)
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Re: Help on Gothic Harness!
« Reply #109 on: 2011-06-01, 22:38:11 »
I think you made a great choice, but I'm a little biased.  The years 1300 to 1400 were witness to an explosion of armour development.  Early in the century a mail hauberk, chausses, great helm and maybe some knee protection is all you need.  By the end of the century you can very nearly have a full "white armour".  I prefer the year 1350 which gives me a ton of leeway.   ;)

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Re: Help on Gothic Harness!
« Reply #110 on: 2011-06-02, 14:10:48 »
I think you made a great choice, but I'm a little biased.  The years 1300 to 1400 were witness to an explosion of armour development.  Early in the century a mail hauberk, chausses, great helm and maybe some knee protection is all you need.  By the end of the century you can very nearly have a full "white armour".  I prefer the year 1350 which gives me a ton of leeway.   ;)

The houndskull bascinet is your best avatar to date!

Yeah, I just love this century for that very reason. You can mix and match, and find some happy spot anywhere along that continuum to choose for your kit.

And I really do like the mid to late 14th C armor a lot. Just really hate most of the helmets. :) The bascinets had some versions that were OK, but I think a lot of them are awfully ugly, particularly the houndskull/bigfaces. I appreciate them historically, but just really don't like the look. Same of the klappvisors and the like aren't bad though. Personally I think the helms looked good toward the end of the 13th and the beginning of the 14th with the great helms and sugarloafs, and then starting looking really good again in the 15th C. But in the middle there, it's slimmer pickings for me. :)

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Re: Help on Gothic Harness!
« Reply #111 on: 2011-06-02, 14:44:47 »
Same here....14th Century is an excellent time for armor and armor enthusiasts!
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Re: Help on Gothic Harness!
« Reply #112 on: 2011-06-02, 21:25:34 »
OK, for the first Kit for KFH (Knight for Hire), here it goes

http://www.therionarms.com/reenact/therionarms_c1276.html

The Merc Tailor website is down, I don't know why.  But i will type down the rest of the Kit in which I hope everyone should be familiar with the pieces.

14th Century Gorget
Besegues
Spaulders
Late 14th/Early 15th Century Breast and Back Plate
14th-15th Century Arms (will ask Allan to make the Rondel Elbows)
Wisby Type 1 Gauntlets
14th-15th Century Legs
Plate Greaves

For this Kit, Revival's Agincourt Arming Cotte will come in handy for the pointers, but I will use the pourpoint for the leg harness only.

Now for the Ren Faire Look! (This time using full harnesses!  ;D)

http://www.wassonartistry.com/armor.php?w=agincourt
http://www.wassonartistry.com/armor.php?w=1380senglish


For HEMA

http://www.therionarms.com/reenact/therionarms_c1078.html
http://www.therionarms.com/reenact/therionarms_c1298.html

Ringmaille Coat (no sleeves)
14th-15th Century Arms w/Integral Spaulders
Demi Gauntlets

Full Harness: http://www.bestarmour.com/armour_6.html
(KA 6.2)


For SCA

http://store.fastcommerce.com/icefalcon/klap-visor-bascinet-ff80818119f1676e011aa1376fac12d6-p.html
http://store.fastcommerce.com/icefalcon/6mm-flat-riveted-large-steel-custom-aventail-w-riveted-brass-tips-ff8081812f43597c012fe63e66297bcb-p.html
http://store.fastcommerce.com/icefalcon/ducal-grade-14th-century-shoulder-pauldrons-ff80818118fcdfb4011905e4369950a8-p.html
http://store.fastcommerce.com/icefalcon/ducal-chernburg-breastplate-with-rolled-edges-ff8081811961735c01197889d9831ab9-p.html
http://store.fastcommerce.com/icefalcon/matching-splint-embossed-arms-and-legs-set-ff80818119f1676e011aa1beb0d52691-p.html
http://store.fastcommerce.com/icefalcon/stainless-steel-finger-gauntlets-ff80818117a128ef0117a26addc9386c-p.html
http://store.fastcommerce.com/icefalcon/stainless-greaves-ff80818117967ef80117980b8e2c0a01-p.html


For Adrian

http://www.anshelmarms.com/bascinets.html
(Back-Point Bascinet w/Sidemounted Pignose Visor)
(Aventail w/Visor Strap)
http://www.anshelmarms.com/elbows.html
(Composite Late 14th Century Spaulders and Arm Harness)
http://www.anshelmarms.com/bodyarmor.html
(Crecy-Poitiers Era Coat of Plates)
http://www.anshelmarms.com/gauntlets.html
(Wisby Gauntlets)
http://www.anshelmarms.com/legs.html
(Composite Late 14th Century Leg Harness, Schynbalds and Sabatons)


For Markland

http://store.fastcommerce.com/icefalcon/stainless-pig-face-bascinet-with-hinge-vervelles-and-additional-interchangeable-bargrill-ff8081811ba38dc1011c141804035023-p.html
http://store.fastcommerce.com/icefalcon/ducal-gorget-ff80818118efe7590118f20ca3634e30-p.html
http://www.windrosearmoury.com/zc/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_7&products_id=28
(with their Kidney Plates for further protection)
http://store.fastcommerce.com/icefalcon/full-stainless-ducal-grade-late-14th-century-arms-ff8081812b212e35012b349a90510f1b-p.html
http://store.fastcommerce.com/icefalcon/late-14th-century-chernburg-legs-ff80818118efe7590118f1d43e25421a-p.html
http://store.fastcommerce.com/icefalcon/gated-stainless-steel-greaves-ff80818117967e33011798f1c59c30e9-p.html

Full Harness: http://www.anshelmarms.com/harnesses.html
(Full 14th Century Harness)


For Selohaar

http://www.bytheswordinc.com/p-3624-visored-great-helm-gh0180.aspx
http://www.windrosearmoury.com/zc/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_7&products_id=29
http://www.bytheswordinc.com/p-2181-leather-brigandine-coat-of-plates-bts-2112.aspx

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14th Century Elbow Copps
Splinted Bracers (steel finish)
Wisby Type 3 Gauntlets
14th Century Knee Copps
Splinted Greaves (steel finish)

Full Harness: http://store.fastcommerce.com/icefalcon/full-late-14th-century-harness-stainless-ff80818123928a96012400f98b395e60-p.html


I know that this may appear to be over the top.  I have decided to make one Kit but with Interchangeable parts.  Each of those parts are the subtle differences for different purposes.  Think of it like this, you have the Full Kit along with different helms, armor pieces that you change for a different function.  This makes it easy instead of buying an entire Kit with the separate parts.

Sir Wolf: Please be kind as to "edit" for innacuracies in the kit's I have posted here.  For the SCA, Adrian Markland and Selohaar kits I do take some liberty to include some nice pieces that may not be accurate but are theer for the purpose of having a blend of historical accuracy with some fantasy like elements.

But thank you everyone for your support in my choice for a 14th Century Kit!  Any advice is always welcome!
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Re: Help on Gothic Harness!
« Reply #113 on: 2011-06-07, 01:22:41 »
Here is the Kit/Harness List with several modifications


Merc Tailor Kit

http://jollyknight.com.ua/armoury/product_info.php?cPath=21_27&products_id=65
http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=111
http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=130
http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=122
http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=145
http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=26&products_id=116
http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=26&products_id=48



Ice Falcon Armory Kit

http://store.fastcommerce.com/icefalcon/stainless-pigface-bascinet-w-cage-and-stainless-aventail-ff808181231a637a01232dc646851352-p.html
http://store.fastcommerce.com/icefalcon/ducal-grade-14th-century-shoulder-pauldrons-ff80818118fcdfb4011905e4369950a8-p.html
http://store.fastcommerce.com/icefalcon/ducal-grade-chernburg-breastplate-with-lance-stop-and-brass-trim-ff80818118efe29f0118f206671030c2-p.html
http://store.fastcommerce.com/icefalcon/full-stainless-ducal-grade-late-14th-century-arms-ff8081812b212e35012b349a90510f1b-p.html
http://store.fastcommerce.com/icefalcon/stainless-steel-finger-gauntlets-ff80818117a128ef0117a26addc9386c-p.html
http://store.fastcommerce.com/icefalcon/late-14th-century-chernburg-legs-ff80818118efe7590118f1d43e25421a-p.html
http://store.fastcommerce.com/icefalcon/stainless-greaves-ff80818117967ef80117980b8e2c0a01-p.html

here is the Full Late 14th Century Harness as an option

http://store.fastcommerce.com/icefalcon/full-late-14th-century-harness-stainless-ff80818123928a96012400f98b395e60-p.html



Anshelm Arms and Armor Kit

http://www.anshelmarms.com/bascinets.html
(Back-Point Bascinet w/Sidemounted Pignose Visor)
(Aventail w/Visor Strap)

http://www.anshelmarms.com/elbows.html
(Composite Late 14th Century Spaulders and Arm Harness)

http://www.anshelmarms.com/bodyarmor.html
(Late 14th Century Globose Breastplate)

http://www.anshelmarms.com/gauntlets.html
(Finger Gauntlets w/Brass Edging)

http://www.anshelmarms.com/legs.html
(Composite Late 14th Century Leg Harness, Schynbalds and Sabatons)

or the alternative

http://www.anshelmarms.com/harnesses.html
(Full 14th Century Harness)


and now with Jolly Knight Armory (all thanks to Das Bill) here is a prototype idea

http://jollyknight.com.ua/armoury/product_info.php?cPath=21_27&products_id=56
http://jollyknight.com.ua/armoury/product_info.php?cPath=21_28&products_id=41
http://jollyknight.com.ua/armoury/product_info.php?cPath=21_29&products_id=79
http://jollyknight.com.ua/armoury/product_info.php?cPath=21_29&products_id=67
http://jollyknight.com.ua/armoury/product_info.php?cPath=21_29&products_id=78
http://jollyknight.com.ua/armoury/product_info.php?cPath=21_30&products_id=75
http://jollyknight.com.ua/armoury/product_info.php?cPath=21_30&products_id=51
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Re: Help on Gothic Harness!
« Reply #114 on: 2011-06-12, 00:31:26 »
I would personally go with the pauldrons without the haut guards (the pieces sticking up) ... every historical piece of armor, and the very few, that I've seen with those seem to be done as jousting reinforcement plates



I thought the haut guards were to protect a mounted knights neck/head from thrusts from thrusts from below.
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Re: Help on Gothic Harness!
« Reply #115 on: 2011-06-12, 02:51:06 »

Yeah, it seems that they're meant to deflect lances or something, since they're jousting features. They do look cool though.
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Re: Help on Gothic Harness!
« Reply #116 on: 2011-06-12, 21:06:59 »
Pauldrons w/Haute Guards?  That was in the earlier prototype for the Gothic Harness.  Right now, it is the Churberg Kit from Jolly Armory.  Later on, I will order a fitted Globose Breastplate which I can exchange the Coat of Plates with the Globose Breastplate anytime I need to!

But still thanks for the helpful advice.
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