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Main => The Armoury => Topic started by: Sir Wolf on 2011-01-22, 20:20:03
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Nice, I gotta work on a soft kit myself. Any suggestions?
sorry, don't want it to get lost in another post. Give me a date and area of what you want to go with and i'll hook you up in what your soft kit should look like
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Mid 13th century probably. Mainly England or Normandy France, maybe even the crusader states.
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lets see.
a hat or a hood
wool 4 gored tunic to below the knee
white under tunic
long brais
wool chausis
veggie tanned shoes in 13thc fashion
belt
http://www.historiclife.com/HistoricalClothing/13th.htm showing a hospitaler in early 13thc
http://historicenterprises.com/mens-13th-century-clothing-c-99_107.html see what i mean.
http://www.medievaldesign.com/eng-prodotti-uomo.asp?form_chiave=27
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Hey, thanks for the links, Sir Wolf- very helpful. Sir Ulrich, good luck...I almost wish I had these resources when I got started but part of the fun was in assembling and switching out pieces as I saw fit.
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Thanks this gives me an idea of the look I want. Thankfully I got the perfect shoes for that kind of kit which is probably the most expensive part (GDFB 13th century soldier's shoes), the pants I currently have aren't accurate at all but I only got them for 20 bucks so that ain't that big a deal. I personally like the crusader outfit the most with the hooded tunic and cloak and think thats what I may go for.
I am still wondering, wouldn't wool get hot in the summer? If so maybe I should get the linen, but that don't come in any color but purple and I don't exactly like purple
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If you get your surcoat from GDFB, be sure to specify you want the heavy linen one, not the wool one...their wool garments are very heavy, very well made too, but very heavy. I'd ordered the Templar ensemble, surcoat and cloak and just those two pieces were over 10lbs by themselves. And HOT...I ended up sending them back and opting for a couple shirts and pants and other odd bits instead.
Went with the MRL Templar getup...you can see it here- very comfortable to wear.
(http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv64/ebonpaladin/Armor/DSC00775.jpg)
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Yeah, I got my hands on a GDFB linen surcoat, it's a bit oversized on me but I can get it tailored I think. I was thinking of getting the cloak but considering it's wool it would probably be too hot. All I wanna know is where I could get a lighter cloak that matches the GDFB wool one.
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Are you doing a Templar serjeant, or Hospitalier? I ask because w/the Templars, you didn't have to have the cross on the cloak/cape, just on the tunic/surcoat so you could go with an all-black cape, or have one made. There are a number of e-tailers on eBay that do some really nice stuff...of course, if you have a little more money to play with, there are more upscale tailors you could work with. On eBay, there is a vendor called House Morningstar- this woman makes all of the surcoats herself, she made the one I'm wearing in my avatar. She could do a matching cloak for you I'd think.
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I am trying to portray a Templar mainly. I think I'm gonna save up for one of those cloaks as they're probably lighter than the GDFB stuff (which I saw at NY Renaissance Faire), maybe I'll even get the surcoat if I can't resize my GDFB one, or just buy a Templar sergeant surcoat and decide to do a knight later.
(http://www.andrea-miniatures.com/images/andrea/S9-B/detallegran/S9-B26-01.jpg)
(http://hfmodeling.kitmaker.net/photos/news/8071/planoamericano4.jpg)
(http://www.aeroartinc.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/5/1/5160_2.jpg)
Thats basically the kind of outfit I want. The way it looks somewhat sinister and dark appeals to me for some reason.
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Yeah, that's a classic. I like it.
That was going to be my second choice before I got addicted to the 15th century.
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Yeah, I always like the idea of the Knights Templar armor and whatnot, after seeing the movie Arn I got even more inspired to do it.
I'm still wondering, should I get these:
http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=26&products_id=75
or these:
http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=26&products_id=48
Just wondering because I need leg armor, I do know I'd need knee cops as well. I just want something that would look like it's from the 1250s and I don't know where to find mail chausses that would fit me.
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ok for 1250 historically neither one of those will work. you are limited to Merc Tailors 13/14th century knee cops for plate. the rest is chain mail. maybe padded chausis but that would be the extent of anything besides mail on the body
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I see they have the greaves described as starting in the 12th century, but for a mid-13th century knight, you're probably just going to have knees as Sir Wolf said, overtop of mail, without other plate elements. Adding plates over the mail puts you into the beginning of the 14th century (1300's).
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Yeah, I always like the idea of the Knights Templar armor and whatnot, after seeing the movie Arn I got even more inspired to do it.
I'm still wondering, should I get these:
http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=26&products_id=75
or these:
http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=26&products_id=48
Just wondering because I need leg armor, I do know I'd need knee cops as well. I just want something that would look like it's from the 1250s and I don't know where to find mail chausses that would fit me.
I had both...I currently have the splinted greaves, your first link- while I do love'm, they're not anachronistic to early 13th C but I wore'm anyway. I also had the plate greaves...and they are good looking but they kept diggin into the top of my boot and I'd have a sore foot by day's end. I'm wearing the splinted greaves (altho you can't see them) in my avatar; if you look at my Knight Page I believe I have a full shot where you can see them. Yea, here it is:
http://modernchivalry.org/knightdata/28/photo1288021926-0001-huge.jpg
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Think I'm gonna start out with knee cops then, the GDFB stuff has them already attached so I think I am going for that, as long as I can get them tailored. Guess thats the problem being a Templar, they didn't make it past 1314 thus have a limited selection of armor. Maybe I could go for a later 13th century look? I just don't see how protective chausses are, mail flexes and doesnt protect from blunt force trauma, and hitting my shins would be PAINFUL... Sure they prevent you from being cut but it's essentially metal against bone cause shins have very little meat in the front. I mean, i'd get a pair but I just don't know where I could get a pair that would fit my legs as I am 5 ft 8 and only weigh 110 pounds...
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Padded Chausses. All the rage underneath your maille.
And look out sir Wolf! You used the C word! CHAIN MAIL!!!!
two more violations before you are kicked off the forum/made fun of.
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Isn't chain mail one of those annoying letters you have to send to ten friends or something bad will happen to you? ;D
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ah, that must have been what he was referring to.
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Yeah, that's exactly it, the mail is designed to keep the weapon from cutting and piercing, but only mildly mitigates blunt force. The padding is what deals with that more, and on the legs the padding would tend to be on the thigh. But the good news is that in this period, most of the weapons were of the sword, spear, and other polearm varieties. Hammers and maces weren't as popular yet, since their increased popularity was in response to plate armor.
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Sir Ulrich, do you plan on fighting in your kit?
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If you do and lack shin padding, Stay the hell away from Eastern Europe! Those reenactment groups w/ the full contact steel blunt fights have a deathwish!
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Yes I do intend on fighting in my kit, not necessarily the SCA but maybe Markland or some other society that doesn't have high armor requirements. Main reason I don't bother with plate is because unless it's custom fitted it's uncomfortable, but Mercenaries Tailor has me think otherwise due to their stuff being custom sized. I may just get shin guards cause I currently don't want to spend 300 bucks to for the IceFalcon chausses, but I can afford 70 dollar custom sized shin guards. Plus if I ever decide to do plate I'd already have some armor for it. Maybe in the 1290s or so they had some plate?
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Merc Tailor will make it according to your measurements w/out extra added cost...of them all I feel most comfortable dealing with Allan because he's no-muss-no-fuss and no excuses; the work's top notch and you don't have to wait months to get it usually.
I thought about Markland myself but wondered if maybe I was too old? They're based at UMD right? By the by, if you are going to fight in your kit, you'll definitely want padded undergarments - mail's good against cuts but not blunt force trauma.
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too old? HAHAHAH thas funny. you know most sca and markland guys are 40-50 right?
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They do have a lot of younger guys too, but plenty of older ones as well. Pretty broad spectrum, so I wouldn't let age stop you.
I'm not as directly familiar with Markland these days. I just remember one of my college friends had gotten involved in the padded weapon combat, and I think some of those folks were using hockey equipment to get some basic protective padding. From their website you can see a lot of more serious historical intent, so I don't know how much they blur the lines these days.
As an aside, Sir Barchan (one of the jousters at MDRF) was one of the founding members of Markland if I'm not mistaken. I believe he parted ways with them a long time ago.
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too old? HAHAHAH thas funny. you know most sca and markland guys are 40-50 right?
Really? I thought they were like a frat order...none of those guys in the pic looked in their 50s.
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u might have just seen 1 section. they have a "sca" camp and a "living history" camp. a lot of the east coast living history groups came out of markland and split ways to be on their own.
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Are you a member, Sir Wolf?