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Main => The Armoury => Topic started by: Ian on 2012-09-15, 23:53:50
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Got some last minute stuff in from HE. Here's a quick shot of one iteration of the soft kit. Everything you see here is wool, and surprisingly comfortable. I'm looking for any obvious glaring errors that I need to fix prior to DoK if anyone has anything. The one thing that irks me that I can't help is that the fit of the chausses are a little loose. I've got to get one size too big because my feet won't fit in the next size down, even though they would be more fitted to the leg.
Also, does anyone have a trick to making a livery collar not fall out of place any time you lean in any direction? :D
For clarity's sake: Mid to Late 14th Century England.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8175/7990005837_6130138b40_z.jpg)
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Safety pins to the shirt from underneath so not noticed should do it. Nice look, Ian. Very sharp & historical. I don't know why people like the rondel daggers. Guess it's just preference.
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Nice, maybe I should pick up a tunic by them. What one did you pick out? Cause I dont want one thats too long as I am not exactly tall.
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Looking good! I agree, some hidden safety pins might help with keeping things in place. I think the kit is really looking good, so I'm not sure what you might want to add to it.
Man, I need to finish mine. :)
I took a photo with what I had when some of it arrived. I've since switched the tunic for the next size up for a better fit, and added a wool lyrapipe hood with dags as an alternate choice to the linen hood shown:
(http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/faire/b3226.jpg) (http://ed.toton.org/photos/2012/faire/b3226b.jpg)
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put the chausis on inside out, mark where they are too large with a piece of chalk, pin the new line and sew it. turn them right side out and try them. then turn them wrong side out again and cut off the excess. make sure you dont make them too tight in the ankles and knees.
ya just use hidden safety pins. only u will know. or mark where you want it to sit and put a few cheater stitches with the same color thread as the mantle. and sew it in place
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put the chausis on inside out, mark where they are too large with a piece of chalk, pin the new line and sew it. turn them right side out and try them. then turn them wrong side out again and cut off the excess. make sure you dont make them too tight in the ankles and knees.
ya just use hidden safety pins. only u will know. or mark where you want it to sit and put a few cheater stitches with the same color thread as the mantle. and sew it in place
Awesome idea for the chausses Sir Wolf, thank you!
Nice, maybe I should pick up a tunic by them. What one did you pick out? Cause I dont want one thats too long as I am not exactly tall.
It's the Bocksten tunic in wool, the 'one size' option. I'm about 5'10" and thin, and it fits fairly well, much better than my revival linen.
Safety pins to the shirt from underneath so not noticed should do it. Nice look, Ian. Very sharp & historical. I don't know why people like the rondel daggers. Guess it's just preference.
Thanks, as far as the rondel, it's one of the most documented daggers appropriate for my little niche in the timeline, I probably could have done a ballock dagger as well, but rondels look nice and mean to me :)
Thanks for the feedback gentlemen!
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Very Dapper gentlemen.
Don`t forget your head wear, it wasn`t the done thing for men of rank to be seen outdoors without head covering ;) A nice Chaperon would go great.
http://www.kats-hats.co.uk/chaperon.shtml (http://www.kats-hats.co.uk/chaperon.shtml)
G.
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Very Dapper gentlemen.
Don`t forget your head wear, it wasn`t the done thing for men of rank to be seen outdoors without head covering ;) A nice Chaperon would go great.
http://www.kats-hats.co.uk/chaperon.shtml (http://www.kats-hats.co.uk/chaperon.shtml)
G.
Excellent Sir Gerard, thank you!
Are simple linen coifs not appropriate for men of station? What about underneath something fancier like a wool brimmed hat?
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Yes I`m sure that would do just fine ;)
G
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Yes I`m sure that would do just fine ;)
G
Great! I ask, only because I have the stuff I described on hand! :)
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put the chausis on inside out, mark where they are too large with a piece of chalk, pin the new line and sew it. turn them right side out and try them. then turn them wrong side out again and cut off the excess. make sure you dont make them too tight in the ankles and knees.
ya just use hidden safety pins. only u will know. or mark where you want it to sit and put a few cheater stitches with the same color thread as the mantle. and sew it in place
Sir Wolf, I did the procedure you suggested for the chausses (well, for the sake of total transparency, my wife did it :) ) and it worked like a charm. Took about 5 total minutes, and they fit much better now. Thank you for the suggestion!
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awesome. thats how i do it. use the generic patterns and then tailor it to fit. glad to be of service!
oh ya don't forget your hats! you must must wear a hat in medieval attire. it's forbidden heheh not to
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I ordered the anglo saxon tunic with a hood, should fit in for my 13th century impression. I dont think i'm tall enough for the gown type tunic so I got the anglo saxon one instead, in copper and black and I got the hood in copper. Should work for me for this soft kit.
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That looks great to me!
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My stuff arrived, not sure if it fits well enough color wise but I went with copper because it matched the hood I got. Wool is itchy though, prefer linen but wearing the linen undershirt sorta solves the itchy problem.
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Looking good. The wool does itch if you're not used to it, but I think an undershirt will help a lot, and won't be visible. I'm a huge fan of cheating when it's not visible. :) Your skin will build up a tolerance for the wool too if you wear it a lot (as long as you're not allergic to it).
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you should be wearing a linen under tunic under the wool. looks great man. like that you went with those colors rather than all brown.
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I was gonna go with red and black but they didnt sell it and I think burgundy woulda looked bad without matching. It actually isnt brown it's copper and black mixed together and looks brown in a distance or in pics. Do still plan to get custom tunics but my outfit kinda looks peasantish now with the duller colors rather than bright red and dark black. Still will work for now, I like the way the colors go together and it fits in for the October season.
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I wouldn't worry about it looking peasant-like. Actually peasants wore a lot of bright colors. Hollywood has led us to believe they wore drab, dull colors.
So you can wear what you want. Color doesn't necessarily indicate station (with some exceptions).
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Hollywood usually misleads the public about medieval ages, I always imagine the nobility having bright colors for some reason. Though colors back then were probably less bright as dyes didnt nearly stick to clothing as well as modern dyes do.
Yeah, my parents keep saying it looks like I'm a monk or something, I do like the tunic though (got the anglo saxon one cause it was closest to a 1200s tunic), the way it's not one solid color is quite interesting and the color suits my complexion and hair color. I actually look like someone out of the medieval period with my long hair and beard. I do think a brown belt would be better than a red one but I preferred red because it simply looks better with my armor and whatnot. Green would of looked cool too but again they didnt sell green tunics or hoods there but then people would think robin hood and I already have a robin hood outfit.
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The range and brightness of medieval plant-dyed wool can be surprising to some.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/__9PdOkb81CQ/THD6iRvZJ5I/AAAAAAAADCc/d_EztIMwUlo/s1600/Natural+dyed+wool.jpg)
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awesomeness.
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I do notice none of them are black. Was black a rare color back then? Most of my arming clothing is in black because I don't like the dirt to show up on it so I can skip washing the outside. I did read that back then when the dyes would decay or fade to grey and black back then after a while. Not sure if that was true or not.
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if u look there not true black like modern black. only black really in period is worn by the rich and by hospitatlers.
modern black is really hard to make and keep it kept fading bad. iron and viniger make some nice black for leather
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Yes, they could get black (look at paintings to see the frequency of black showing up as a color worn). Certainly that box of yarn isn't an EXCLUSIVE list of colors possible, simply one person's INCLUSIVE example. :)
black was expensive because it required frequent re-dyeing to keep it dark. This cost money for the garment had to be picked apart (the lining removed, buttons, trims, etc), dyed, and relined. This did, however, keep the garments going for a very long time. It was the lining that wore out first, and got stinky etc. So having the ability to take things apart to freshen them was great - for those that could pay for it.
For something like an arming coat - it was highly unlikely. The things that needed frequent washing were white or undyed. That said, clearly, some people were wearing garments that were colored as arming garments. Red seems to be frequent, as well as blue, but then these are easy colors to get. :)
Jess
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Well I usually go with black cause it looks better on me than other colors. I used to go with green and brown but the hippie label kept annoying me so I stopped with that. Plus I'm goth and prefer black stuff, doesnt seem out of place for a military order like the Hospitallers and Teutonic knights to wear black as they prolly could afford it. My new custom gambeson is going to be black with a red trim around the edges to suit my noble persona, though I coulda just went with red as red seems like a nobles color. Black seems to pick up dirt less than other colors so it just looks better to me.
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The best color to not show dirt marks is brown. :)
Black was the hospitaller primary color, teutonic cross color, and templar sergeants were in black, too. It wouldn't be common unless you're one of them (or rich), but it didn't not exist either. As Sir Edward said, ignore the Hollywood bias on colors - look at the period paintings for ideas and inspiration.
Jessica, awesome picture!
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Thanks for that picture, Jess!
As others have pointed out, Black was much more expensive. There were cheaper versions of it that would fade quickly, or weren't what we'd call a modern black (more of an extremely dark brown), but still more expensive than other colors since they'd fade quite a bit. I guess I'm repeating what Jess said now. :)
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Thanks for the reference picture Jessica! :)
I must say everyone's soft kits are looking excellent and I am grieved at the reminder I will not be able to attend this most prestigious and hopefully not singular event! :(