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Re: RenFaire dates - 2010
« Reply #75 on: 2010-10-21, 20:31:27 »
I did have a recent incident at MDRF where I was accosted by some (sad to say) college kids and informed that the Crusades were "bad." (I was wearing my usual 12th-century Crusader kit.) I paused for almost a full minute, trying to decide what books to refer them to, in order to correct their mis-education.

Instead I smiled and quoted from Kingdom of Heaven -"To kill an infidel is not murder; it is the path to heaven." And raised my cider to them. Not terribly chivalrous of me, I know.

Some folks are just not worth the time to argue with.

Well, it was certainly in character, right? :)

Great to see you back. It's been a long time. Are you coming out on Sunday?
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Re: RenFaire dates - 2010
« Reply #76 on: 2010-10-21, 20:40:16 »
At least on Sunday.  ;D And Saturday, too if I can manage. I have a rare Saturday off.

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Re: RenFaire dates - 2010
« Reply #77 on: 2010-10-21, 20:50:33 »
Glad I haven't read the other forum thread you guys are referring to. It would have just upset me.

I did have a recent incident at MDRF where I was accosted by some (sad to say) college kids and informed that the Crusades were "bad." (I was wearing my usual 12th-century Crusader kit.) I paused for almost a full minute, trying to decide what books to refer them to, in order to correct their mis-education.

Instead I smiled and quoted from Kingdom of Heaven -"To kill an infidel is not murder; it is the path to heaven." And raised my cider to them. Not terribly chivalrous of me, I know.

Some folks are just not worth the time to argue with.



Would that I had been standing by you then!  I agree, that some folk are not worth the time...but sometimes, you spend it anyway.  The Crusades were bad...well so's the Toyota Prius.  The damage done to the environment just to make one invalidates any sort of 'positive' it might garner as far as fuel consumption and emissions goes, but I digress.

The Crusades are responsible for igniting the intrepid spirit amongst the European nations...prior to them, it was near unheard of travellers going so far outside of their established domains, with the merchants being the obvious exception but even then, I would hazard to guess they were not as widely traveled due to the differences in language, culture, etc.  It wasn't until they were more or less 'forced' to deal with all of that that true trading began...

Anyway, you've a great Crusades-era kit as I'm sure I told you, definitely worth envying.  That those onlookers don't get it, that really is too bad for them.
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Re: RenFaire dates - 2010
« Reply #78 on: 2010-10-21, 21:00:07 »
Thanks, Paladin.

I do agree that the Crusades were filled with atrocities and unspeakable suffering, done by knights as well as vagabonds. King Richard himself was a butcher. But the notion that the very idea of reclaiming the Holy Land was a criminal enterprise, that is what I have a problem with. People never seemed to have heard of the Muslim Conquest. Or do they believe that the entire Middle East, All of North Africa, and even parts of Eastern Europe were always Muslim?
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Re: RenFaire dates - 2010
« Reply #79 on: 2010-10-22, 12:52:35 »
Pork chops?  Where do you get pork chops?  You must show me!

I agree...on the FB thread and elitists in general, I have noticed that they keep their off-putting words to themselves when you're right there in front of them.  I mean really, they had nothing to say while you were there, right?  Stands to reason their opinions are best served by keeping it to themselves- with this internet there's come a whole lot more people with things to say- that fear the percussive after effects that could occur if they gave voice to them.

Cowards, in a word.

Yes that is so very sad but true. I personally will not say or write anything discourteous to or about anyone unless I am prepared to bleed for it. I lament that more of today’s society cannot even fathom that notion.  :(

Oh and the pork chops on a stake are at the main food court near the white hart tavern!  ;)

Glad I haven't read the other forum thread you guys are referring to. It would have just upset me.

I did have a recent incident at MDRF where I was accosted by some (sad to say) college kids and informed that the Crusades were "bad." (I was wearing my usual 12th-century Crusader kit.) I paused for almost a full minute, trying to decide what books to refer them to, in order to correct their mis-education.

Instead I smiled and quoted from Kingdom of Heaven -"To kill an infidel is not murder; it is the path to heaven." And raised my cider to them. Not terribly chivalrous of me, I know.

Some folks are just not worth the time to argue with.

LOL you sir are an inspiration to us all! Well done indeed!  ;D
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Re: RenFaire dates - 2010
« Reply #80 on: 2010-10-22, 14:47:00 »
Thanks, Paladin.

I do agree that the Crusades were filled with atrocities and unspeakable suffering, done by knights as well as vagabonds. King Richard himself was a butcher. But the notion that the very idea of reclaiming the Holy Land was a criminal enterprise, that is what I have a problem with. People never seemed to have heard of the Muslim Conquest. Or do they believe that the entire Middle East, All of North Africa, and even parts of Eastern Europe were always Muslim?

Oh but didn't you know, they're the new disenfranchised so its cool to back them.  *rolling eyes*

I know everyone has a part to play in this thing called Life but some people...need direction.
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Re: RenFaire dates - 2010
« Reply #81 on: 2010-10-22, 15:07:12 »

Well, the weather looks great for Sunday so far!

http://weather.yahoo.com/united-states/maryland/crownsville-2387843/
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Re: RenFaire dates - 2010
« Reply #82 on: 2010-10-22, 15:33:39 »
Perfect weather for donning armour...now I have a decision to make...do I go as a Templar (which I have done for the last 3 seasons at least, Crusader or Templar) or as an unheralded knight, in a parti-coloured blue/black surcoat?  The only downside to that is there's no shield to match, but I think the armor would look better with it.  I don't know, what do you knights think?
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Re: RenFaire dates - 2010
« Reply #83 on: 2010-10-22, 15:42:56 »
Entirely up to you! You could still bring your crusader shield; I don't think anyone would complain. Frequently the shield and surcoat didn't match. And technically, to be a proper Templar shield, it should be a black chief over white without a cross anyway. :)

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Re: RenFaire dates - 2010
« Reply #84 on: 2010-10-22, 16:13:34 »
Hmm...so Templars didn't carry shields w/crosses on them?  I've seen that before...but never understood its meaning.
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Re: RenFaire dates - 2010
« Reply #85 on: 2010-10-22, 16:40:42 »
The weather does look great. I might even wear my thick GDFB gambeson. My only fear there is looking like the 'Stay-Puffed' Marshmellow Man from Ghostbusters....

Paladin, you will look formidable no matter what surcoat you  wear! My shield doesn't technically match my tabard, either. The colors are the same - black, red, and gray - but the shield bears a red chi-rho symbol instead of a Cross. I've never gotten anything but compliments. When learned people ask, I just say I adopted the chi-rho on my way through Byzantium to the Holy Land  ;D
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Re: RenFaire dates - 2010
« Reply #86 on: 2010-10-22, 16:57:32 »
ya you could use that shield or really one of your own heraldry if i'm not mistaken. i didn't wear a shield with my kit last weekend and no one knew the difference.

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Re: RenFaire dates - 2010
« Reply #87 on: 2010-10-22, 17:02:48 »
"Let those that go to don armor tomorrow . .  remember to 'go' before they don armor tomorrow."
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Re: RenFaire dates - 2010
« Reply #88 on: 2010-10-22, 17:43:58 »
Hmm...so Templars didn't carry shields w/crosses on them?  I've seen that before...but never understood its meaning.

Yeah, not a lot is known about the symbolism. The best understanding is that it represents their stepping forth from darkness into the light, and out from sin.

The Templars used the black over white design for their shields and banners, occasionally adding a red cross over it on the banners (though I haven't been able to find an answer yet as to whether they sometimes added it on the shield too), but when they did that, it was small. Some historical writings describe some shields with a large black cross over white, very thick, described as "pale and fess" (which are vertical and horizontal bars that are about a third of the shield's width), but most would have been their standard "beauseant" design of black chief over white field.

The red cross on white was more a badge that the pope granted them for their robes (surcoats) and mantles, as they were a monastic order.

But don't feel bad, I did the same thing. My Templar shield is also a red cross. :)
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Re: RenFaire dates - 2010
« Reply #89 on: 2010-10-22, 17:52:46 »
lol @ blackadder reference

Ok, well, it is all a learning op for me so...think I'll opt for the nondescript knight-errant, no shield.  No helm either since I can't seem to get the coif to sit properly over the gorget which will keep the espaliers intact...no one noticed but I didn't wear any plate bits last time.

That strap issue I have on one of my greaves I'll see if I can't get that master leatherworker to make me up a new one and rivet it in...think he could?  Or would I need the blacksmith for the riveting part?  Hell, I'll just tie it on with some strapping and call it a day!
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