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Re: Historical HEMA Tournaments and Deeds of Arms
« Reply #75 on: 2014-06-10, 14:42:00 »
Ed, that's the entire point of this discussion.  We don't know the numbers, so we can't make a real determination.  No one is saying that we should just go ahead and do it and throw safety to the wind.  The entire reason I brought this up is we can make an actual determination based on evidence instead of just saying "Oh it won't happen!" or conversely "Oh, it will definitely happen!"  Because we don't know either way.  Both are equally invalid arguments.  I don't like relying on invalid bogus logic, hence the discussion...

OK, because it sounded a lot like you were saying we should throw caution to the wind, because the numbers are unknown and/or small. :)
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Re: Historical HEMA Tournaments and Deeds of Arms
« Reply #76 on: 2014-06-10, 14:44:57 »
Ed, that's the entire point of this discussion.  We don't know the numbers, so we can't make a real determination.  No one is saying that we should just go ahead and do it and throw safety to the wind.  The entire reason I brought this up is we can make an actual determination based on evidence instead of just saying "Oh it won't happen!" or conversely "Oh, it will definitely happen!"  Because we don't know either way.  Both are equally invalid arguments.  I don't like relying on invalid bogus logic, hence the discussion...

OK, because it sounded a lot like you were saying we should throw caution to the wind, because the numbers are unknown and/or small. :)

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How do we find out how dangerous it really is?  And we do know this could be mitigated with perf plate or slotted oculars.

So, right now for the added cost of steel weapons, and potentially upgraded armor with appropriate safety features (like perf plates or slotted oculars), it sounds like the physical evidence points to steel being safer than wood if you have the right stuff and are willing to spend the money.

covered the fact that I was not suggesting we throw caution to the wind and I was after real evidence and numbers.  You quoted it yourself...
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Re: Historical HEMA Tournaments and Deeds of Arms
« Reply #77 on: 2014-06-10, 14:49:31 »
covered the fact that I was not suggesting we throw caution to the wind and I was after real evidence and numbers.  You quoted it yourself...

lol, yes, I did see that. But it seemed in contrast to the rest. :)  As long as we're clear.
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Re: Historical HEMA Tournaments and Deeds of Arms
« Reply #78 on: 2014-06-10, 16:27:24 »
That makes perfect sense on the hafts. I was thinking bind work with a steel vs wood would give a serious advantage to the wood, and hadn't paused to think "wait, that's actually correct for period combat". I do want to throw in some spear / poleaxe / etc for next year when I can order one.

For me it's that wood seems safer - which I admit may well be only perception, since statistics on this kind of thing are pretty slim (can't imagine why :D). I'm comfortable fighting with wood swords, but not with steel. I enjoy it greatly, but not enough to feel like putting my life on the line every time I step on the field. As much as I enjoy doing the demos, if it became a gamble every time on "possibly die from a sword through the eye" or "live and go home to clean/repair gear"... I'm going to quit fighting. Then I'll delve deeper into living history or just "playtron" at various faires. My primary joy is simply being in harness; the combat is a happy bonus.

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Re: Historical HEMA Tournaments and Deeds of Arms
« Reply #79 on: 2014-06-14, 20:45:09 »
From Christian Cameron's YouTube Channel, video of one of the events from Torneo del Cigno Bianco.





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Re: Historical HEMA Tournaments and Deeds of Arms
« Reply #80 on: 2014-06-15, 01:18:41 »

Awesome, it's good to see some video of it. The pictures are great, but they don't tell the story the way video does.

They had a really good group out there. A lot of WMAW regulars went. These fights show very much what the WMAW deeds of arms look like as well.
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Re: Historical HEMA Tournaments and Deeds of Arms
« Reply #81 on: 2014-07-02, 20:47:10 »
I think I may understand why there is such a fear.

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Re: Historical HEMA Tournaments and Deeds of Arms
« Reply #82 on: 2014-07-03, 12:43:56 »
I think I may understand why there is such a fear.



Yeah, that's the high bar that we all aspire to.... :)

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Re: Historical HEMA Tournaments and Deeds of Arms
« Reply #83 on: 2014-07-03, 14:23:38 »
I think I may understand why there is such a fear.



Yeah, that's the high bar that we all aspire to.... :)

But look! That sword went straight through that visor!
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Re: Historical HEMA Tournaments and Deeds of Arms
« Reply #84 on: 2014-07-03, 16:17:23 »
Did I see a death defying bicyclist in one of those vids?
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Re: Historical HEMA Tournaments and Deeds of Arms
« Reply #85 on: 2014-10-30, 21:12:24 »
I am/was considering cutting up one of my regular fencing masks and having a section welded over my visor's oculars but I backed off a bit on the idea because I'm not ready to buy a replacement mask yet and the guy at Short Point in February had his helmet's oculars done and during our impromptu harnischfechten study group it had failed. Of course it may have just been a really shoddy welding job (looked that way from the quick look I had) and I know there are some top notch welders at my job...Perhaps it is time to shop for a new mask. If I get this done and it holds up to testing I'll be asking for all your visors! ;)

Well I happened to score some scrap perforated steel and had a piece welded over my oculars on my visor. It turned out great! Visibility is hardly compromised and I truly feel completely safe. I still have plenty of perforated steel and can easily modify your visors gentlemen if you are interested. Just PM if you want me to and I'll give you my shipping address! :)
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Re: Historical HEMA Tournaments and Deeds of Arms
« Reply #86 on: 2014-10-30, 21:18:36 »
Have you done any thrust testing on it?  Would be interested to hear if it deforms at all or suffers any damage from use.
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Re: Historical HEMA Tournaments and Deeds of Arms
« Reply #87 on: 2014-10-31, 07:44:27 »
Not as yet. I need to locate a fencing school that has a tester on the premises and ask them to test it for me. Although I suppose I should just go ahead and
purchase this: http://shop.fencing.net/Mask_Punch_Test_p/fwf93101.htm, so I can test everyone's modified visor after I get the perforated steel welded onto them. :-\
I did slightly peen the perforated steel into the oculars afterwards though that should add little more resistance to a thrust from the opposing direction.
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Re: Historical HEMA Tournaments and Deeds of Arms
« Reply #88 on: 2014-10-31, 17:36:12 »
Have you done any thrust testing on it?  Would be interested to hear if it deforms at all or suffers any damage from use.

That's my concern too. :)
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Re: Historical HEMA Tournaments and Deeds of Arms
« Reply #89 on: 2014-10-31, 23:41:43 »
BTW have y'all seen the interchangeable polearm heads being worked on for the HEMA Alliance?
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