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Oof! Don't skimp on da hands!
« on: 2014-05-09, 17:57:09 »
Here's a thread on the Armor Archive where a fell ask's about finger gauntlets. Look about half-way down.  :o :o :o

"Opinions on finger gauntlets for combat" on the Archive.

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Re: Oof! Don't skimp on da hands!
« Reply #1 on: 2014-05-10, 01:28:49 »
OUCH!!! Now I know not to buy finger gauntlets  :o If there is one thing I have observed from medieval activities, your gonna hurt something eventually.
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Re: Oof! Don't skimp on da hands!
« Reply #2 on: 2014-05-12, 16:58:49 »
OUCH!!! Now I know not to buy finger gauntlets  :o If there is one thing I have observed from medieval activities, your gonna hurt something eventually.

A fracture of the metacarpals is bad and requires a long recovery time after orthopedic surgery. However the means by which the individual who posted that X-ray received that injury stated that he attempted to block with that hand and didn’t specify what type of hand protection he was wearing at the time. So whether mitten, bifurcated mittens or finger gauntlets, ensuring they have a good solid metacarpal plate will greatly increase your chances of not suffering a similar injury. Lest anyone forgets, the amount of control and safety consideration of your opponents is also part of the equation. Therefore don’t be too hung up on any particular style offering better protection over the other, i.e. mitten over fingered gauntlet. As each have their pros and cons. (btw I prefer finger gaunts) ;)
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Re: Oof! Don't skimp on da hands!
« Reply #3 on: 2014-05-12, 19:25:11 »
OUCH!!! Now I know not to buy finger gauntlets  :o If there is one thing I have observed from medieval activities, your gonna hurt something eventually.

A fracture of the metacarpals is bad and requires a long recovery time after orthopedic surgery. However the means by which the individual who posted that X-ray received that injury stated that he attempted to block with that hand and didn’t specify what type of hand protection he was wearing at the time. So whether mitten, bifurcated mittens or finger gauntlets, ensuring they have a good solid metacarpal plate will greatly increase your chances of not suffering a similar injury. Lest anyone forgets, the amount of control and safety consideration of your opponents is also part of the equation. Therefore don’t be too hung up on any particular style offering better protection over the other, i.e. mitten over fingered gauntlet. As each have their pros and cons. (btw I prefer finger gaunts) ;)

All very true. But I dont think I can really say which i prefer yet seeing how I never worn either, save, a fingered mail gauntlet.
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Re: Oof! Don't skimp on da hands!
« Reply #4 on: 2014-05-12, 21:15:02 »
I'm not seeing where Tom B's injury was caused specifically by finger gauntlets
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Re: Oof! Don't skimp on da hands!
« Reply #5 on: 2014-05-12, 22:23:04 »
Tom broke his metacarpal... that has little to do with the finger part of the gauntlet.  Mittens and finger gauntlets both have a metacarpal plate, so I don't think it would matter what style of gauntlet it was.
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Re: Oof! Don't skimp on da hands!
« Reply #6 on: 2014-05-13, 03:29:36 »
I can attest to the fact that it’s the quality and fit of the gauntlet that’s important, not the type.  After some serious damage to my right thumb years ago, I ditched my ill-fitting clamshell gauntlets.  These were the stereotypical, run of the mill, off the peg, gauntlets you see many SCAdians wearing.  I opted to make my own faux finger gauntlets with enclosed thumbs patterned after photographs of Mad Matt’s and Anshelm Arms examples.  My hands are protected to a much higher degree these days.

As Ian stated, sometimes it doesn’t matter what you’re wearing.  An overzealous polearm blow that’s poorly blocked is going to hurt no matter what (as in my case).  Well fitted armour does make a huge difference, but accidents do happen.  We all play very rough games.   :)
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Re: Oof! Don't skimp on da hands!
« Reply #7 on: 2014-05-13, 04:01:52 »
Tom broke his metacarpal... that has little to do with the finger part of the gauntlet.  Mittens and finger gauntlets both have a metacarpal plate, so I don't think it would matter what style of gauntlet it was.

Yep, I've got that part. :) Here's my confusion re: finger gauntlets specifically since it seems like a few people are thinking Tom broke that bone because of wearing finger gauntlets

"Opinions on finger gauntlets for combat" on the Archive.

OUCH!!! Now I know not to buy finger gauntlets
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Re: Oof! Don't skimp on da hands!
« Reply #8 on: 2014-05-13, 11:32:03 »
You're not confused James. People who think Tom's injury was sustained specifically because of finger gauntlets are confused.  ;)
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Re: Oof! Don't skimp on da hands!
« Reply #9 on: 2014-05-13, 19:05:41 »
You're not confused James. People who think Tom's injury was sustained specifically because of finger gauntlets are confused.  ;)

I am confused  :o
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Re: Oof! Don't skimp on da hands!
« Reply #10 on: 2014-05-13, 20:22:32 »
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Re: Oof! Don't skimp on da hands!
« Reply #11 on: 2014-05-13, 21:13:08 »
That image belongs plastered all over every HEMA website. :)
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