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Re: Where to begin? New Kit in the working..
« Reply #15 on: 2014-05-01, 14:56:10 »
Yeah, the more flat-topped great helms didn't extend past maybe the 1310s-1320s. Afterward, it had transitioned to the dome-topped styles (more like the Pembridge helm), which were frequently worn over a steel arming cap (Cervelliere), or even over an early bascinet, which evolved out of the cervelliere.

If you want to use a great helm with plate armor, you're looking probably toward the middle of the century. I sometimes fudge it a little for the renfaire, by doing a mid 14th kit but with my regular great helm.

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Re: Where to begin? New Kit in the working..
« Reply #16 on: 2014-05-01, 15:40:55 »
You could go with early 14th and splinted armor and still get by with that helm if you prefer that style.
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Re: Where to begin? New Kit in the working..
« Reply #17 on: 2014-05-01, 19:04:54 »
I am trying to keep my kit as accurate as possible but with some fudging for Faire.

So maybe I should look more into the early to mid 14th Century armor.

I think I will start looking into the Splinted Armor as well, if anyone has a good source please let me know.
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Re: Where to begin? New Kit in the working..
« Reply #18 on: 2014-05-01, 19:15:28 »
Early to mid is a good choice, it leaves a lot of armor options.
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Re: Where to begin? New Kit in the working..
« Reply #19 on: 2014-05-01, 19:35:15 »
historic enterprises has a nice combo for both underwear and clothing. then order your boots from viking leather. complete clothing for less than 400 i would say.

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Re: Where to begin? New Kit in the working..
« Reply #20 on: 2014-05-01, 22:32:39 »
historic enterprises has a nice combo for both underwear and clothing. then order your boots from viking leather. complete clothing for less than 400 i would say.

I did just that. It is about $200. As for a good sources, mad matt has good looking stuff, I personally have never ordered there though: http://www.madmattsarmory.com/ and you can also try winter tree crafts: http://www.wintertreecrafts.com/
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Re: Where to begin? New Kit in the working..
« Reply #21 on: 2014-05-01, 23:38:21 »
both of those armourers are out of order right now. matt is having mental issues again and wtc is moving

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Re: Where to begin? New Kit in the working..
« Reply #22 on: 2014-05-02, 01:01:46 »
Matt is active on the archive and taking orders as of yesterday...

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Re: Where to begin? New Kit in the working..
« Reply #23 on: 2014-05-02, 02:45:50 »
both of those armourers are out of order right now. matt is having mental issues again and wtc is moving

Is this a recent thing because I feel as if a lot of armorers are not taking orders at the moment?
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Re: Where to begin? New Kit in the working..
« Reply #24 on: 2014-05-02, 05:42:45 »
I like Matt's stuff and he has come a long long way over the years I have known him but I would only buy in stock stuff currently.

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Re: Where to begin? New Kit in the working..
« Reply #25 on: 2014-05-02, 19:00:27 »
A couple things.  You're kind of putting the cart in front of the horse.  Before even thinking about buying armor, please take the advice that you need to square away the foundation garments first.  The finest armor will not function properly without well fitted arming garments underneath it all, and that armor needs to be sized to the person with those garments on.  This is especially true with plate armor.

Secondly, let's try to narrow down exactly what you're looking for.  Here are some representative harnesses from different time periods ranging from the late 13th century through the 14th century.  Any of these float your boat?  If one jumps out at you we can really narrow down what it is you should be looking for both for hard and soft kit.

Later 13th Century Templar Kit, could easily be a secular crusader instead of monastic order, predominantly maille, with steel knee cops, Bolzano style great helm



Later 13th / Early 14th Century secular Knight kit, still predominantly maille, with more plate features, Coat of Plates, Sugarloaf style great helm (or Bolzano still in use), more developed knee protection



Mid 14th Century knight, coat of plates, open faced bascinet, plate arm defenses worn beneath a short sleeved maille haubergeon, plate knees and padded cuisses (could easily do splinted cuisses as well for the thighs and splinted greaves).  Could also sub in a klappvisor flat-visored bascinet, or early klappvisor with pointed visor.  Wisby style gauntlets.



Also a mid-14th kit here, just ignore that side hinged flat visored bascinet that's not really something I've ever heard of being documented.  A little more developed than the other mid 14th.  Note the Pembridge Style Great Helm that can be worn over that bascinet or cervelliere.



The archetypal Late 14th century kit, houndskull bascinet, fully developed plate harness, coat of plates or full plate cuirass, hourglass gauntlets



And to cap it off here's an early 15th century kit, Agincourt era and a little thereafter.  Fully developed plate, a Great Bascinet (rigid neck defense, rounded visor)

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Re: Where to begin? New Kit in the working..
« Reply #26 on: 2014-05-02, 19:14:19 »
Good stuff this thread.
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Re: Where to begin? New Kit in the working..
« Reply #27 on: 2014-05-02, 19:20:29 »
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Re: Where to begin? New Kit in the working..
« Reply #28 on: 2014-05-02, 19:24:43 »
Is it wierd that all those images are saved on my phone lol. Was going to post them but it doesnt work with Iphones or Ipads.

Like Ian said, once you decide on the foundation and exact time of your garmet you can begin off on the right foot. If you want garmet too, you can get some from historic enterprises (recomend getting one of the packages) which have their periods in by the century catagories and are for the most part accurate. Or, make your own like me and many others to get the perfect size and fit. In addition, you can buy some cheap, nice quality gambesons from KoA

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Re: Where to begin? New Kit in the working..
« Reply #29 on: 2014-05-03, 00:53:10 »
Definitely think I will go with mid 14th. century. I like all aspects of what is pictured. Really like the more plated side, but the splints are great too. First and foremost need to look at proper garments and footwear for this period.