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Re: Practicing with sharps
« Reply #15 on: 2014-10-31, 07:49:56 »
Hmm, maybe Me and Aiden should practice with sharps one day.
Although I don't think many would deem that Wise.

NO! That would be the epitome of foolhardiness! That level of training should only be attempted after many years of rebated steel training.
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Re: Practicing with sharps
« Reply #16 on: 2014-10-31, 14:57:35 »
Hmm, maybe Me and Aiden should practice with sharps one day.
Although I don't think many would deem that Wise.

NO! That would be the epitome of foolhardiness! That level of training should only be attempted after many years of rebated steel training.

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Re: Practicing with sharps
« Reply #17 on: 2014-10-31, 17:31:00 »
Hmm, maybe Me and Aiden should practice with sharps one day.
Although I don't think many would deem that Wise.

NO! That would be the epitome of foolhardiness! That level of training should only be attempted after many years of rebated steel training.

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Don't even think about partner training with sharps until you've got years of significant experience under your belt

And good health insurance. And good life insurance, in case the health insurance is irrelevant (aka you die).
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Re: Practicing with sharps
« Reply #18 on: 2014-10-31, 18:03:49 »
Hmm, maybe Me and Aiden should practice with sharps one day.
Although I don't think many would deem that Wise.

This is something that only the instructors and their most trusted advanced-level students are doing. I would suggest NOT doing it without the supervision of an established instructor.
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Re: Practicing with sharps
« Reply #19 on: 2014-11-03, 22:51:11 »
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Re: Practicing with sharps
« Reply #20 on: 2016-05-06, 02:40:06 »
I saw the video and it is good one.  Makes a good point.

Practicing with sharps is high level and must be done with an instructor always. 

I have held a sharp longsword before and after trying a few cuts and thrusts I feel the differences between it and a blunt. 
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Re: Practicing with sharps
« Reply #21 on: 2016-05-19, 19:21:27 »
I'll be honest, I never saw the point of training with sharps- it adds a level of danger and excitement but there's no real way you can practice- even without the intent to do harm, the chances are a good deal higher that an injury can be sustained.  Just my $0.02.
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Re: Practicing with sharps
« Reply #22 on: 2016-05-20, 03:19:37 »
I've done slow work with sharp spears. It was enlightening.
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Re: Practicing with sharps
« Reply #23 on: 2016-05-23, 00:28:25 »
I train with sharps but with excessively due care & caution for surroundings (and my limbs) when thrusting or cutting. But mostly with blunted steel, and rattan.  :o
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Re: Practicing with sharps
« Reply #24 on: 2016-05-27, 00:51:04 »
I'll be honest, I never saw the point of training with sharps- it adds a level of danger and excitement but there's no real way you can practice- even without the intent to do harm, the chances are a good deal higher that an injury can be sustained.  Just my $0.02.

There are some legitimate reasons for it.

The bind - sharp swords BITE. Steel blunts don't. Things like the windings are infinitely more interesting with a sharp sword. With a blunt, oops, I got stabbed. With a sharp sword, there is that split second transition from "hey look a bind" in which you evacuate your bowels because you can actually feel the oppononts sword release from the bind and start moving towards you.

Blade presence - weight and length on blunts are pretty close to historical style, but there is a difference in blade presence with two sharp swords. I can't put it into technical terms, but there is a completely different level of fear and respect when dealing with a sharp sword. Safety gear and blunts are a big artifact in fencing where we aren't nearly as worried to have "double kills" or to get hit repeatedly. Granted that's the nature of training, but without the "real life" fight with a true sharp sword looming anywhere in the future, we train under a different mentality than our predecessors did.

But I would NEVER advocate anyone ever doing it without the guidance - and probably participation - of a very knowledgeable, experienced, and safe instructor.
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Re: Practicing with sharps
« Reply #25 on: 2016-05-27, 14:17:42 »
Sort of like live rounds used in a field exercise?  I see what you are saying...I suppose it is a natural advancement in fencing to take it there. 
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Re: Practicing with sharps
« Reply #26 on: 2016-05-30, 00:05:58 »
On Thursday I was working some winding and grappling techniques with my student. I had a super hard time explaining why you didn't get close to the other guy and that you HAD to solve for the sword first & always as well as try and finish the guy with your weapon and not your fists or feet. He has a 7th Dan in TKD and a 3rd Dan in Hapkido and has faced knife weilders in the street before, but explaining how very damned lethal swords were in an unarmoured fight might have been better helped by using a sharp. Heck a metal blunt would have been more useful (we have his shinai only which are less than optimum).

Some of the stuff from here was included in the lesson.

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Re: Practicing with sharps
« Reply #27 on: 2016-05-30, 14:58:14 »
Sort of like live rounds used in a field exercise?  I see what you are saying...I suppose it is a natural advancement in fencing to take it there. 

Much like that, yes. As far as I know, there's never a point where you are shooting live rounds at each other... nor in any exercises with sharps should you be actively trying to connect or injure each other. A simple zorn-zorn bind with a winding that doesn't begin a thrust is enough to give you that "oh @#$!!" moment that feders don't have.
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Re: Practicing with sharps
« Reply #28 on: 2016-05-31, 23:27:44 »
Great videos. :)
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Re: Practicing with sharps
« Reply #29 on: 2016-06-01, 01:24:18 »
From this discussion on practicing with sharps, all I can say is that when I imagine training with sharps, this is what comes to my mind.



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