"He who conquers others is strong; he who conquers himself is mighty."
                -- Lau Tzu

Author Topic: Satan as god's Judge, not his adversary.  (Read 35279 times)

Thorsteinn

  • Squire of the Order
  • Forum Veteran
  • ***
  • Posts: 2,470
Re: Satan as god's Judge, not his adversary.
« Reply #15 on: 2013-03-30, 17:25:07 »
Seems the Original Poster hasn't been on since 3/18...anyone think he'll be back?

Good question. Perhaps we are not what he's looking for? Perhaps he had a bit of wind and simply lost his Web connection?
Fall down seven, get up eight.

Lord Dane

  • The Hound, Hunter, and Hammer of Justice
  • Knight of the Order
  • Forum Acolyte
  • ****
  • Posts: 1,900
  • Selflessness, Service, Justice.
Re: Satan as god's Judge, not his adversary.
« Reply #16 on: 2013-03-30, 18:17:55 »
Seems the Original Poster hasn't been on since 3/18...anyone think he'll be back?

Good question. Perhaps we are not what he's looking for? Perhaps he had a bit of wind and simply lost his Web connection?

Probably just needed to adjust the tin-foil on his head for better connection.
"Fides, Honos, Prudentia, Sapiencia" (Faith, Honor, Prudence, Wisdom)
"Fiat justitia ruat caelum" (Let justice be done)

Sir Steven T.

  • “absum lucis tenebrae obtinebis” “in the absence of light darkness prevails.”
  • New Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 12
  • New Member
    • The Knightly Order of the Fiat Lux, Upstate
Re: Satan as god's Judge, not his adversary.
« Reply #17 on: 2013-04-01, 16:22:20 »
Putting all kidding aside, and reading through his original points, he represents in my humble opinion why modern orders of chivalry are needed more today than ever. I am a Reverend in the Universal Life Ministries. I seek to accept all faith and find the commonality in all. I believe that there is good in all people and religion as well as great potential for evil. I have seen darkness in my 42 years of life that can only be described as evil and deamons. There is so much anger, and angst in the youth of today. Its fed by politicians, media, a failed education system and loss of a family structure.  The greatest evils are always attempting to veil themselves with the appearence of good and justice. Just as Creation appears to all in a way that makes us the most comfortable, it's reasonable that evil too can appear any guise. It's sad that this individual chooses to embrace the darkest emotions of humanity as virtuous. That he mentions bringing harm to those who have crossed him in the past with the Black Arts, and finds beauty in what others would call attrocities of war.  As knights I feel it is important to respect others, but to also accept and recognize evil where it is found and fight it with whatever means necessary, be it with honest discussion and debate, with verbal agressiveness, with the sword when necessary, and last but not least understanding, prayer, and setting the example.
Thou shalt respect the weak and constitute thyself the defender of them
Thou shalt love the land to which thou hast sworn fealty
Thou shalt not recoil before thine enemies
Thou shalt make war upon evil without cessassion
Thou shalt scrupulously perform thy noble duties be they not contrary to the laws of the land
Thou shalt be generous and give freely to others
Thou shalt never lie and always be true to thy word
Thou shalt ever and always be the defender of the good and right angainst injustice and evil
This is the code to which i have sworn an oath, I fail from time to time to live up to it, but I swear I will never stop trying to.
Rev. Sir Steven Thompson
Grand Knights Beacon
The Knightly Order of the Fiat Lux
Upstate New York Chapter

Joshua Santana

  • Yeoman of the Order
  • Forum Acolyte
  • **
  • Posts: 1,002
  • Honorare scutum meum, veritas mea gladio
Re: Satan as god's Judge, not his adversary.
« Reply #18 on: 2013-04-02, 00:00:57 »
Quote
I am a Reverend in the Universal Life Ministries. I seek to accept all faith and find the commonality in all. I believe that there is good in all people and religion as well as great potential for evil.

That is a balanced viewpoint and I have no problem with that since you have good intentions. 

Quote
Thou shalt respect the weak and constitute thyself the defender of them
Thou shalt love the land to which thou hast sworn fealty
Thou shalt not recoil before thine enemies
Thou shalt make war upon evil without cessassion
Thou shalt scrupulously perform thy noble duties be they not contrary to the laws of the land
Thou shalt be generous and give freely to others
Thou shalt never lie and always be true to thy word
Thou shalt ever and always be the defender of the good and right angainst injustice and evil

Gautier eh?  Not bad of code choice.  Here is a Code I live by and it perfectly describes the religious aspects of Chivalry itself.



Quote
his is the code to which i have sworn an oath, I fail from time to time to live up to it, but I swear I will never stop trying to.

We all do likewise, mistakes and rising again form our mistakes is proof of our humanity and willingness to go the extra mile to carve legacies that will be passed down from heirs, children, students and other Squires of the Order and those from outside the Order.
Knight of The Lion Blade

Honora gladium meum, veritas mea, et SpirĂ­tui Sancto.  כדי לכבד המגן שלי, האמת שלי חרבי

Honor My Sword, Truth My Shield.

SirNathanQ

  • Knight of the Order
  • Forum Acolyte
  • ****
  • Posts: 1,742
  • "Nobiscum Deus" "Libertas ad omnes civitates"
Re: Satan as god's Judge, not his adversary.
« Reply #19 on: 2013-04-06, 05:52:56 »
True words Sirs Joshua and Steven.
As a Catholic, and a Knight who finished his Accolade being called to "Rise as a Soldier of God" I too know that we must fight blatant, and indirect evil, wherever it may lie.
Though as one who at a point in his life walked through a darkness (though I never fell as to rebuke Christ in favor of evil) I can understand how many youth feel. For a large majority of them, they have simply lost the path. For all of my generation's many faults and failings, most of them are not truly evil. Many suffer from simple misunderstanding. Sir Omera (the original poster, for those late to the thread) seems to seek strength, and has given up on the moral basis for rightful possession of it.

Perhaps he could have been shown the great strength of goodness, perhaps he was reaching in the right direction by speaking to us about it.
Anyway, to cut to the chase, I believe that the most good can be done through speaking to those lost, showing them what they've been missing through logic and reason.
"The maximum use of force is in no way incompatible with the simultaneous use of the intellect." -Carl Von Clausewitz
"He is truly a fearless knight and secure on every side, for his soul is protected by the armor of faith just as his body is protected by armor of steel." -Saint Bernard of Clairvoux

Sir Steven T.

  • “absum lucis tenebrae obtinebis” “in the absence of light darkness prevails.”
  • New Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 12
  • New Member
    • The Knightly Order of the Fiat Lux, Upstate
Re: Satan as god's Judge, not his adversary.
« Reply #20 on: 2013-04-08, 12:41:41 »
Well said Sir. Nathan.
The Role of a Knight is very much a Role Model, probably moreso than a judge. I too have walked upon what many have said would have been dark, self destructive paths. My family and my code, and as time goes on more and more, my own faith help keep me grounded. One of the requirements for joining the Order to which i belong is a need for the Order in the individual's lives. I see day in and day out more of the failings of today's society can be directly tied back to the loss, some would even say the deliberate destruction, of those very things that make men and women strong and "grounded". Unfortunately where chaos exists, it's easy for evil in its many forms to offer what appears to be order.
Rev. Sir Steven Thompson
Grand Knights Beacon
The Knightly Order of the Fiat Lux
Upstate New York Chapter

Lord Tristin

  • Forum Member
  • **
  • Posts: 51
  • Always strive to better yourself.
    • My facebook
Re: Satan as god's Judge, not his adversary.
« Reply #21 on: 2013-04-11, 19:35:05 »
I will never Hide what  I am, I worship as my ancestors did.  I am a Celtic Pagan, and I follow the path of the Druid. I hate no man or woman or their beliefs. I strive to better myself and grow in wisdom, wisdom  I will gladly share with anyone. I have studied Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hindi, and many other esoteric religions and beliefs, including leVayin Satanism. They all have their wisdom they espouse, to disregard something wise simply because it comes from a different source is folly. On that note this young man may or may not know what he wants from life. But  I assure you money will not make you happy, I make good money, and it has nothing to do with my happiness.

Sir William

  • Cogito ergo sum
  • Knight of the Order
  • Forum Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 7,154
Re: Satan as god's Judge, not his adversary.
« Reply #22 on: 2013-04-11, 21:19:26 »
Tristin, you mentioned in another thread that you're of Spanish ancestry?  I did not know that Celtic Pagans had spread to Spain- can you tell us more?
The Black Knight, Order of the Marshal
'Per Pale Azure and Sable, a Chevron counterchanged fimbriated argent.' 
“Pride makes a man, it drives him, it is the shield wall around his reputation.  Men die, but reputation does not.”

Lord Tristin

  • Forum Member
  • **
  • Posts: 51
  • Always strive to better yourself.
    • My facebook
Re: Satan as god's Judge, not his adversary.
« Reply #23 on: 2013-04-11, 21:23:22 »
Of course my friend, at one time before Christianity Celtic faith had spread from Ireland and Scotland to Spain and all the way east to Poland, just recently some Celtic ruins were found in Poland. and the ruins in Spain are well documented. Celtic faith is a religion and culture not a race as many believe. While it originated in north west Europe it spread all across the continent at one point.

Sir William

  • Cogito ergo sum
  • Knight of the Order
  • Forum Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 7,154
Re: Satan as god's Judge, not his adversary.
« Reply #24 on: 2013-04-11, 22:02:52 »
That's interesting, I had not known that.  Although, come to think of it, I've read mention of Celt-Iberians, which would almost have to mean somewhere in or near the Iberian peninsula, thereby adding more weight to it...
The Black Knight, Order of the Marshal
'Per Pale Azure and Sable, a Chevron counterchanged fimbriated argent.' 
“Pride makes a man, it drives him, it is the shield wall around his reputation.  Men die, but reputation does not.”

Lord Dane

  • The Hound, Hunter, and Hammer of Justice
  • Knight of the Order
  • Forum Acolyte
  • ****
  • Posts: 1,900
  • Selflessness, Service, Justice.
Re: Satan as god's Judge, not his adversary.
« Reply #25 on: 2013-04-11, 22:09:51 »
That's interesting, I had not known that.  Although, come to think of it, I've read mention of Celt-Iberians, which would almost have to mean somewhere in or near the Iberian peninsula, thereby adding more weight to it...

Traces of Celtic heritage and artifacts have been found recently in America, Greece, Poland, and other regions of southeastern Europe. I believe it is one of the eldest civilizations and most ancient cultures in the world.
"Fides, Honos, Prudentia, Sapiencia" (Faith, Honor, Prudence, Wisdom)
"Fiat justitia ruat caelum" (Let justice be done)

Sir Brian

  • Knight of the Order
  • Forum Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 4,735
  • Felix uxor beatam vitam - Happy Wife Happy Life
    • Order of the Marshal
Re: Satan as god's Judge, not his adversary.
« Reply #26 on: 2013-04-12, 15:20:35 »
There have been a few hypothesis that the Celts originated from Atlantis even.
"Chivalry our Strength, Brotherhood our sword"
Vert, on a Chief wavy Argent a Rose Sable,
a Gryphon Segreant Or

[img width=100 height=100]
<a href="http://s221.photobucket.com/user/Tah908/media/LP_Medals_zpsq7zzdvve.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i221.photobucket.

Sir William

  • Cogito ergo sum
  • Knight of the Order
  • Forum Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 7,154
Re: Satan as god's Judge, not his adversary.
« Reply #27 on: 2013-04-12, 16:54:32 »
Really?  Can you recall where you read that?  I find that extremely interesting to say the least.  I suppose it might be considered the first real link to Atlantis beyond all the expository stuff.
The Black Knight, Order of the Marshal
'Per Pale Azure and Sable, a Chevron counterchanged fimbriated argent.' 
“Pride makes a man, it drives him, it is the shield wall around his reputation.  Men die, but reputation does not.”

Sir Brian

  • Knight of the Order
  • Forum Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 4,735
  • Felix uxor beatam vitam - Happy Wife Happy Life
    • Order of the Marshal
"Chivalry our Strength, Brotherhood our sword"
Vert, on a Chief wavy Argent a Rose Sable,
a Gryphon Segreant Or

[img width=100 height=100]
<a href="http://s221.photobucket.com/user/Tah908/media/LP_Medals_zpsq7zzdvve.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i221.photobucket.

SirNathanQ

  • Knight of the Order
  • Forum Acolyte
  • ****
  • Posts: 1,742
  • "Nobiscum Deus" "Libertas ad omnes civitates"
Re: Satan as god's Judge, not his adversary.
« Reply #29 on: 2013-04-13, 03:21:55 »
Though to address Lord Tristan, I don't condemn a religion outright for it's source (though the origin story is a really great way to figure out what that particular religion is all about...) but mostly what it produces and brings forth from it's followers.
"The maximum use of force is in no way incompatible with the simultaneous use of the intellect." -Carl Von Clausewitz
"He is truly a fearless knight and secure on every side, for his soul is protected by the armor of faith just as his body is protected by armor of steel." -Saint Bernard of Clairvoux