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New Coat of Arms
« on: 2013-02-12, 01:58:00 »



I been designing various different coat of arms. Sticking to my red and black heraldry colors however. I am rather unsure of what one to pick. I did put the Teutonic knight cross in the quartered one which I think looks better than the rest. The halved one looks rather nice too IMO. I did put the sun in it because my family coat of arms crest has that in it. Not sure what one to pick though.

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Re: New Coat of Arms
« Reply #1 on: 2013-02-12, 02:50:39 »


I am going with this one. I decided a red sun doesnt look right but when I use a metal color it looks better especially against the black. I decided to add a metal color to the cross again so it looks more legit rather than being something that looks incomplete. Only 2 colors makes it look rather... bland. But for clothing 2 colors are fine, shields with designs not so much.

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Re: New Coat of Arms
« Reply #2 on: 2013-02-12, 04:37:11 »
Posted on FB too, but yep, that last one with the gold suns looks best.
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Re: New Coat of Arms
« Reply #3 on: 2013-02-12, 15:03:35 »
Ahhh...the Roman style sun.  I like it...don't know what it means, have you worked out the blazon yet, Ulrich?
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Re: New Coat of Arms
« Reply #4 on: 2013-02-12, 16:00:49 »

The most recent one works the best with the heraldry rules, as the others all had color on color. Remember, black is a color (though some groups will sort of treat it like it can sometimes be a metal, but that's not really correct).

As I was saying on facebook, technically the crosses should be "sable, fimbriated argent" so that they don't have color on color. The outer black line on them would not be part of the official heraldry, to make this work, but sometimes people leave a black outline anyway just to make the charge more visible distinct, or because that's how they find the clip-art. I'd probably make it a thin line, but really it's up to you.

One possible way to blazon it would be like this:  Quarterly sable and gules, I and IV a sun in splendor Or, II and III a cross pattee sable fimbriated argent.
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Re: New Coat of Arms
« Reply #5 on: 2013-02-12, 21:22:39 »
Looks good, and more correct!  :)
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Re: New Coat of Arms
« Reply #6 on: 2013-02-13, 12:09:32 »
I like it, Sir Ulrich.  :D Good job.
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Re: New Coat of Arms
« Reply #7 on: 2013-02-13, 13:06:20 »
while it fails all historical heraldry it does look cool. i did have the black and red as well in the beginning but changed it to bend to period correctness ahahhaha

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Re: New Coat of Arms
« Reply #8 on: 2013-02-13, 15:04:12 »
Hey Wolf, when would have red/black been correct in period?
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Re: New Coat of Arms
« Reply #9 on: 2013-02-13, 18:28:55 »
Black and red together are fine, just not on top of each other in the form of a charge on a field, since they're both "colors".

The crosses having a white outline (fimbriated argent) changes them to be a metal, for purposes of being over top of a field color.
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Re: New Coat of Arms
« Reply #10 on: 2013-02-14, 15:17:56 »
Yeah I am sticking with this one. Even though it looks a bit later I still think it would look nice on a surcoat and shield. Now to get a new shield to paint it onto, where to get a blank shield for under 200 bucks is my question now... I already know I am gonna get a surcoat from Badass Garb.

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Re: New Coat of Arms
« Reply #11 on: 2013-02-14, 15:27:18 »
Valiant armoury has done custom heaters under $200. But they r wood not steel. Options for leather covering or metal trims are extra.
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Re: New Coat of Arms
« Reply #12 on: 2013-02-14, 16:57:43 »
Sir Ulrich, if you're worried about materials, go with wood, and not steel or aluminum, or some other metal.  The wood would be more appropriate for  your interest in living history / period of interest.
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Re: New Coat of Arms
« Reply #13 on: 2013-02-14, 19:09:22 »
Yeah I am sticking with this one. Even though it looks a bit later I still think it would look nice on a surcoat and shield.

OK, I'll update the website with it.
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Re: New Coat of Arms
« Reply #14 on: 2013-02-14, 21:12:01 »
Ulrich, these guys make great shields for a lot less than some of their competitors...they've made two for me thus far.

http://www.oakheartarmory.com

They recently did up a heater for me, rimmed in steel, strapping and a guige strap as well to hang around the neck, all for about $100.  I have not found anyone who does it better for less.  If you intend on painting it yourself, a blank'll run you about $40 to start, then maybe $20 more for strapping and such.  If you opt to have them paint it, that might cost an extra $30 but that's still less than $100.  I'd check them out.
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