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Re: On religious fanaticism in parenting
« Reply #15 on: 2012-08-29, 16:34:56 »
Well, responding to the OP, I think what that woman is doing is irresponsible, and is going to have her kid running about spouting off nonsense whilst believing themselves some kind of prophet. Then again, I have some bias, because I'm a Catholic, and closest we come to otherworldly speech is Latin...

We also leave the decision up to the child. You see, Baptism isn't the same thing as a commitment to the Catholic Church. For that we have Confirmation, where at a age of maturity (for me 16) the teenager decides for themselves whether or not they wish to be Catholic.

We also don't believe that we hold the monopoly on salvation. We believe that anyone can enter heaven, no matter their creed, if they lived in a good and Godly (Not necessarily Catholic) manner. In fact, our main reason for legitimacy isn't because we're the only true faith, but because the Catholic Church was the one founded by Christ. 

I'm glad my folks raised (and are raising) me Catholic. I feel no lack of spiritual or intellectual fulfillment, and when I get around to having children, they will attend mass and I will do my best to explain the true teachings and morals of the Church and life itself. However, when the age of Confirmation rolls about, it's their choice.

Excellent outlook, Sir Nathan. You have come alot further in your level of maturity & viewpoints/lessons of life earlier than most your age. Your insight should always be your first intuitive outlook on all things you encounter in life & in all decisions you make. You express greater thought process & reflection in your statements than others I have seen. Whether based on your religious upbringing, faith, or open-minded outlook, you express yourself soundly & with good-intention and acknowledge consequences as a part of your decision making process.  You will be much wiser in life for this. :)
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Re: On religious fanaticism in parenting
« Reply #16 on: 2012-08-29, 22:25:05 »
I thank you Lord Dane for your kind words. I do try my best to understand as much as I can, and am but still young, and doubtlessly have much more to understand.  :)

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Re: On religious fanaticism in parenting
« Reply #17 on: 2012-08-30, 13:33:44 »
Well, responding to the OP, I think what that woman is doing is irresponsible, and is going to have her kid running about spouting off nonsense whilst believing themselves some kind of prophet. Then again, I have some bias, because I'm a Catholic, and closest we come to otherworldly speech is Latin...

We also leave the decision up to the child. You see, Baptism isn't the same thing as a commitment to the Catholic Church. For that we have Confirmation, where at a age of maturity (for me 16) the teenager decides for themselves whether or not they wish to be Catholic.

We also don't believe that we hold the monopoly on salvation. We believe that anyone can enter heaven, no matter their creed, if they lived in a good and Godly (Not necessarily Catholic) manner. In fact, our main reason for legitimacy isn't because we're the only true faith, but because the Catholic Church was the one founded by Christ. 

I'm glad my folks raised (and are raising) me Catholic. I feel no lack of spiritual or intellectual fulfillment, and when I get around to having children, they will attend mass and I will do my best to explain the true teachings and morals of the Church and life itself. However, when the age of Confirmation rolls about, it's their choice.

Excellent outlook, Sir Nathan. You have come alot further in your level of maturity & viewpoints/lessons of life earlier than most your age. Your insight should always be your first intuitive outlook on all things you encounter in life & in all decisions you make. You express greater thought process & reflection in your statements than others I have seen. Whether based on your religious upbringing, faith, or open-minded outlook, you express yourself soundly & with good-intention and acknowledge consequences as a part of your decision making process.  You will be much wiser in life for this. :)

Yes Lord_Dane our Sir Nathan is a most impressive young knight, wise beyond his years yet tempered with genuine humility and sincere courtesy.  :)
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Re: On religious fanaticism in parenting
« Reply #18 on: 2012-08-30, 14:10:14 »
I thank you Lord Dane for your kind words. I do try my best to understand as much as I can, and am but still young, and doubtlessly have much more to understand.  :)
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Re: On religious fanaticism in parenting
« Reply #19 on: 2012-08-31, 02:37:32 »
Thank you sir Brian, not only for the kind words, but also for the guidance to stay on a path of wisdom. Make no mistake, my Knighthood is and has truly been a guiding force in my growth and development.

Lord Dane, I am 17.
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Re: On religious fanaticism in parenting
« Reply #20 on: 2012-08-31, 03:24:56 »
Thank you sir Brian, not only for the kind words, but also for the guidance to stay on a path of wisdom. Make no mistake, my Knighthood is and has truly been a guiding force in my growth and development.

Lord Dane, I am 17.

A mistake made by me on this forum quite often. LOL That quote was from "Sir Sorbus", Sir Nathan. Not I. :) I already know your age.
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Re: On religious fanaticism in parenting
« Reply #21 on: 2012-08-31, 16:39:54 »

So many Sirs and Lords, it gets quite confusing. :)
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Re: On religious fanaticism in parenting
« Reply #22 on: 2012-08-31, 16:47:01 »
LOL @ the mis-quotes...as Lord Dane has said, it happens.
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Re: On religious fanaticism in parenting
« Reply #23 on: 2012-08-31, 16:49:19 »
Thank you sir Brian, not only for the kind words, but also for the guidance to stay on a path of wisdom. Make no mistake, my Knighthood is and has truly been a guiding force in my growth and development.

Lord Dane, I am 17.

Yes, it was I that asked. I, too, am 17. Perhaps, then, I am not the youngest? :D

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Re: On religious fanaticism in parenting
« Reply #24 on: 2012-08-31, 20:07:34 »
Thank you sir Brian, not only for the kind words, but also for the guidance to stay on a path of wisdom. Make no mistake, my Knighthood is and has truly been a guiding force in my growth and development.

Lord Dane, I am 17.

Yes, it was I that asked. I, too, am 17. Perhaps, then, I am not the youngest? :D

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Re: On religious fanaticism in parenting
« Reply #25 on: 2012-08-31, 20:10:25 »
ya isn't it always scary Sir Brian? I have pfc's in my ww2 group that i am in charge of that it donned on me last event that i was more than twice their age hahahaha then i realized i was 18 twice! hahaha scary

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Re: On religious fanaticism in parenting
« Reply #26 on: 2012-08-31, 22:15:41 »
Whoops, meant Sir Sorbus  :P  It would seem that any wisdom I do have abruptly ends when it comes to reading names beside posts....  ;)

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Re: On religious fanaticism in parenting
« Reply #27 on: 2012-09-03, 17:20:28 »
Back towards the party feeling in some congregations, I know what you mean. By now the Protestant denoms are a spectrum of belief and practice. Given how I was raised in the faith such an atmosphere makes me uncomfortable. Other believers are uncomfortable without it. It all boils down to comfort level, familiarity, and perhaps how adventurous a person feels I guess.

Parents will generally decide on what they believe is the right level of involvement and instruction in their religion and ethics, whether or not society approves. This will never change and on the whole (there are some negative examples) I don't generally see much harm come from it. However, regardless of parenting and instruction children are remarkably good at making their own choices once grown. :-)

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Re: On religious fanaticism in parenting
« Reply #28 on: 2012-09-03, 22:27:44 »
I don't mean to take away from the topic at hand, but how are you Sir Ancelyn? It's been a while. Good to see you again.
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Re: On religious fanaticism in parenting
« Reply #29 on: 2012-09-04, 06:56:18 »
I used to be extremely religious to the point where it made me delusional about stuff. Later when I recovered from that fiasco I have become atheistic but still follow a set of morals. Though some would say I am immoral I dont believe in a black and white (good and evil) anymore like western religion in general does because thats what made me delusional. I guess people with strong emotions are more prone to fanaticism in general. I've always had extreme emotions about things though, since the time I was a kid.