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Re: My full current kit
« Reply #30 on: 2011-11-28, 21:55:22 »
If it's any help at all, in the workbench section Sir William posted my process of how I did mine.
I'm happy with my maille. It turned out well.  :)
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Re: My full current kit
« Reply #31 on: 2011-11-29, 18:29:02 »
I may need some assistance tailoring my maille as I cant even get my hauberk on myself. Time to pester my folks I guess. The most uncomfortable part of my kit is the maille flopping around with excess weight. Just need some butted rings to do it with, then later riveted rings. I may just make the sleeves taper but then I may have MORE trouble putting the thing on.

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Re: My full current kit
« Reply #32 on: 2011-11-29, 19:01:32 »

Yeah, narrower sleeves will be a little more difficult to put on, but it'll fit a lot better when you're done. Just remember to only take out a little at a time and lace it shut or only use butt-links while test-fitting. The diameter at the elbow has to be large enough to accommodate bending your arm, and it's easy to take out too much there. It's probably safest to do a linear taper from the armpit all the way to the wrist, if they're full-length sleeves.

I think where I ended up on my half-sleeves was roughly about 2" more space than I thought I needed just by pinching it together at the elbow. But I'm just guessing based on memory.

So like I said, don't take out too much on the first attempt.
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Re: My full current kit
« Reply #33 on: 2011-11-29, 23:24:37 »
Yeah. Getting the measurements right is super important.
And it isn't that much harder to get on, really  :)

BTW, the feel is just so much better, you will wonder how you did anything in your maille once you do it.
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Re: My full current kit
« Reply #34 on: 2011-11-30, 15:58:29 »
I need to get to work on this...what with all those spare rings Sir James gave me, shouldn't be too much of an issue.  Just time...and COD:MW3 has been taking up a lot of it.  lol
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Re: My full current kit
« Reply #35 on: 2011-12-01, 05:08:04 »
Now to find a source of butted 9MM links to seal the seams up. Anyone know which one to get? I don't need MANY just a few for the 2 arm seams, also gonna get some riveted ones once I make a more permanent solution.

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Re: My full current kit
« Reply #36 on: 2011-12-01, 17:00:33 »
I have a whole bag of I believe 8mm links, Ulrich...you're welcome to a good number of them once I'm finished.  Knowing you'd be waiting on them would be the impetus I need to get moving on it.  Let me know.
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Re: My full current kit
« Reply #37 on: 2011-12-01, 22:26:43 »
Butted links are also very easy to make.  You just go to the hardware store, buy a spool of steel wire (usually used for electric fences and the like) and buy a steel dowel rod of the inner diameter you want, wrap it around tightly in a coil, and then use wire cutters to cut the links free.  It's a cheap way to get bulk butted links.  If you just need the links to temporarily hold closed your maille while you're fitting it for eventual riveting, this is a good way to do it. 

The links don't even need to be the perfect size if just for temporary use.  It's labor intensive, but it works, and it's cheap.
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Re: My full current kit
« Reply #38 on: 2011-12-01, 22:32:59 »
Butted links are also very easy to make.  You just go to the hardware store, buy a spool of steel wire (usually used for electric fences and the like) and buy a steel dowel rod of the inner diameter you want, wrap it around tightly in a coil, and then use wire cutters to cut the links free.  It's a cheap way to get bulk butted links.  If you just need the links to temporarily hold closed your maille while you're fitting it for eventual riveting, this is a good way to do it. 

The links don't even need to be the perfect size if just for temporary use.  It's labor intensive, but it works, and it's cheap.

I did it this way a long time ago, and had a small wooden jig I made for it, and used my drill (slowwwwwwly) to wind them. I've probably got some "springs" (which is what they come off like) floating around I can send you, Sir Ulrich. I'll check the diameter of them.
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Re: My full current kit
« Reply #39 on: 2011-12-02, 00:25:58 »
Agreed Ian.  Iset up a mandrel and churned out 250 link springs in about 2 minutes.  Add another few minutes to cut them and BAM, you're done!  This link shows you how to get started:
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Re: My full current kit
« Reply #40 on: 2011-12-02, 02:32:13 »
Well I am gonna get to work on this as soon as I get the rings hopefully in time for wicked faire. Gonna start with butted links then once I get some riveted ones I'll finish it off, only problem, the butted links most likely wont be the same color as the rest of the links, oh well I don't need many either.

Only issue for me is I plan on getting a new gambeson, so wearing this over my current one may not work out. Maybe thats what I'll get for Christmas, a new gambeson, still debating because I think linen is less durable under maille due to the fibers being less tightly woven. My current gambeson is just a tube as well and isn't tailored to the body so it actually works for this kind of maille.

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Re: My full current kit
« Reply #41 on: 2011-12-02, 03:59:54 »
I did it this way a long time ago, and had a small wooden jig I made for it, and used my drill (slowwwwwwly) to wind them. I've probably got some "springs" (which is what they come off like) floating around I can send you, Sir Ulrich. I'll check the diameter of them.

This shows how crazy I am. I used a 3/8" aluminum rod, 3 feet long, and stuck it in the end of my drill. Then I'd coil the wire onto it, without a jig or anything, just guiding with my hand, and coil the whole 3 foot rod in like 20 seconds. Probably a little dangerous. :)
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Re: My full current kit
« Reply #42 on: 2011-12-02, 16:38:51 »
Ulrich, if the butted links are temporary, I wouldn't worry about them matching the links currently in your hauberk- if anything, it'll give it a 'used' look which actually looks better, if you get my meaning.

Also, I wouldn't move forward until you have the gambeson you want to wear underneath it- that way it'll be sized correctly.  Again, I have a big bag of rings, you're welcome to what's left of it once I'm done with my project.
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Re: My full current kit
« Reply #43 on: 2011-12-05, 01:43:19 »
I had a bunch just sitting around from previous tailoring projects. Got lucky there.
I don't even notice mine. Even though they are completely defferent, doign it the way I did places the seam on the lower inside of your arm, where it's never really seen.
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Re: My full current kit
« Reply #44 on: 2011-12-05, 13:55:27 »
...doign it the way I did places the seam on the lower inside of your arm, where it's never really seen.

I did the same thing, and my rings don't match exactly, and it's not noticeable unless you inspect my haubergeon up close, and under my arms.
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